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Core- How many artists do you think are actually complaining? You'd be surprised how many of them actually CARE. They're asked and pressured into a lot of things and I don't think they really care at all.. Totally. Work with it. Thom yorke supports it *Thumbs up*. He purposely went on the net and promoted Kid a before its release with IBlips and things playing his music. SOME of it got on the net and that’s the way he wanted it.. His EMI were being such paranoid bitches at the time reviewers and things in the UK were FORCED to listen to the abum in Booths. That’s why a lot of the initial reviews said, “What the fuck? This doesn’t sound like radiohead at all.. it’s a bloody fine album I bet, I just need more time with it”. Yeah, its not like Aphex is out there complaining to Warp about his stuff being heard.. That's the POINT of his music isn't it? |
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LOL. trust me, the artists who publicly support mp3 file-sharing are in the minority, and they are only doing it in a desperate attempt to appear 'down' with 'the kids'. (this comment isn't directed specifically at Thom Yorke, by the way) |
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these artists u mention are accomplished artists tho... maybe there is a difference for smaller artists? |
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The only two real 'musicians' who complained were first metallica for the napster thing.. That was a total joke though, haha, they didn't know half of what they were talking about and it looked to me like their label came to them and went, 'Help us out please.. we'll promise to push your albums harder if you do.' He seriously had no idea how napster even worked. And the second 'muscians' that come to mind are Oasis. Their name is synomis with joke though, that was a bloody publicity stunt hiring a detective and all that.. A publicity stunt and reaction to radiohead ACCEPTING free music. The majority of artists out there who understand what they're on about support this I'd bet. |
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tom yorke is fucking rich and signed to a major - do you really think that artitss are not bothered about mp3's - whaty then in germany did druqs have sony's liscenced anti mp3 software on it - this is germany where cd sales have dropped by 70% in the last 3 years due to file sharing cd burning and other forms of bootlegging |
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i dont trust core whatsoever, i think its the avatar |
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heheh, Thom Yorke is trying his best to show his "working class" appearence like when he wore that: SALE SALE SALE t-shirt thingy. I hav no bad feelings for Thom Yorke, he can do as he pleases, as long as it hurts no1 elses and he keeps making good music! He does hav quite a strong position of influence, u must remember this |
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exactly. well said, astrid-gil-botn. it's easy for so-called 'alternative' artists like Thom Yorke, Courtney Love and Michael Stipe to publicly support 'free' music on file-sharing, because these jokers have already made enough fucking cash to retire on ten times over. |
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why do us indy labels like touch and go - dischord and cranky not give out promo's ? well one reason is mp3ing |
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As I stated earlier, we're only talking about the big boys, the big companies and the big artists.. these are the only ones relevant to this. The smaller artists and albums are getting heard..again, this is the point.. you get into their music..you buy their albums.. I've NEVER burned a cd as I'm stating.. it isn't a case about kids and/or being down with them..what the hell do 'kids' know about indie labels and shit if it wasn't for free music? I'm sure there's more burning of major label stuff otherwise they wouldn't be so pissed and taking the legal action like they are.. |
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there isn't. |
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Its a misconception that these people get rich from selling albums.. man I feel like I'm repeating myself here.. You get rich by fame alone, the mp3's have nothing to do with that so why should the big companies care? They aren't looking out for the little indie labels thats for sure and therefore this isn't about them. They're probably earning more because of it. I think thom is the BEST for doing what he's doing. If you're in that kind of media posistion its your responsibilty to do things like he has.. namely dropping third world debt etc.. he is NOT making friends (or money) from this at all, he's done it because he believes in it. |
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i dont know why, but i cant imagine ppl downloading SClub7 and burning it onto CD... |
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there isn't what? Burning of major label stuff? Well slap my ass and call me a sissy.. why are these companies sueing instead of working with? Again, they can't be trying to help the competition (smaller labels) just because they're feeling nice. |
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Lonius, we're talking about mp3s, not Africa. "rich by fame alone"... im sure the millions of albums helped them with their financial problems tho! |
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I can. There's a lot of freaks out there. |
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there is more file-sharing of indie material. it's a fact. |
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Nah, the millions of albums helped their labels and extended their contracts.. read my threads about contracts.. its true, they get like a quater of a cent per every 4 cd.. That's a FACT for major label artists. |
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Hrmm..and where are your stats to prove it Core? Where is the follow up stats to show how many people BOUGHT those records after downloading said tracks? |
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the major labels want free music on the net banned, because they see it as a threat. They want to neutralise that threat. Lonious, pretend ur in the major label. Wot would u do, to insure that u made profit and that people got what they want? explain ur choices, otherwise they hav no meaning, and u cud just say anything |
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indie artists are struggling to make a living from their music. and that is a fact too. it's important for indie artists to be allowed to make a living from it full-time, otherwise they'd have to work in day-jobs doing life-draining office work or whatever. |
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thom yorke - indie rebel (tm) - once you have secured a position within the music industry as a potentially secure seller then you are able to demand more - you are sayin g that majors probably make more from mp3's ahh so this is why they are suing providers then? |
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I would work with the technology because within a month of wasting my profits on long drawn out court cases there will be ten more file sharing agents up already. And since they can't destroy all of them at once, it will never end unless they work with it. |
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thelonius, do a search on 5 major acts like elton john etc on soulseek or audiogalaxy. then do the same search on artists like global goon and mu-ziq. then get back to me. |
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how wud u secure ur position and make sure that people got what they wanted tho? wot wud u advise people (the general public) to do? |
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HUH?! WHat the? Way to twist my words astrid.. I said they're sueing it from lack of knowledge and the unwillingness to work with them. Of course once you have attention you're able to say more, and have more of it listened to, what's your point? Does it make him (yorke) bad because he chooses to go against what his labels want? He's his own person, get off his case man. |
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thelonius, in principle your suggestion that the labels work WITH the filesharing thing is correct of course... but in practice, it's currently killing indie music. |
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There's a lot of indie stuff you CAN'T get on audiogalaxy.. not because its blocked but because there wasn't anyone available to burn the cds dammit. They need awareness of their music too and promotion which they don't get enough of. I still buy my cds, I'd think I'd be able to get into more if I was at first able to listen to it.. With indie stuff that's only possible through downloading or borrowing a friends cd or something (unlikely at best that they'd have what I wanted though). |
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"I'm a reasonable man get off my case" we're not on his case lonious! |
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how is that killing them? What's killing them is the fact that the mainstream is getting less indie in itself. As I stated before, if they were willing to take risks and earn a profit that way instead of pedalling crap, things would be better for everyone. Then a lowering of cd costs and/or having more of it going to artists would be in order as well. Indie won't die though, good music will always be out there if people are willing to give it a chance. |
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oh well, I've gotta go... see ya |
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Yes you are. His poor brief case doesn't deserve that kind of treatment! |
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Bye sister! (: |
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*sigh* i'm off too |
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Ahh, well it was a good debate either way you look at it. I'm still sticking to my guns though, this case is insignificant because there will be another file sharing program popping up in a week anyway. :) Bye. |
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the mainstram is majors - and music made by people signed by them indie means independently prduced music on labels owned by enthusiasts |
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astrid, it's a waste of time :-( |
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ermm, what's your point though? |
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btw - thelonius - i'm not having a go at thom yorke - he's probably not aware... |
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its not a waste of time, I don't think we could really prove who its hurting and why until someone actually got in and showed us the facts or if the indie labels banded together to HELP the mainstream labels take down audiogalaxy.. we don't see that happening or any press statements even mentioning such, you have to ask yourself why. |
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the point is, we work within the indie music industry, and you don't. and no matter how long we waste our time arguing on this board, you will never come round to our opinion until you are working and living on this side of the fence. |
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aware of what? He said what he said and did what he did in regards to his own music.. |
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well, maybe, that doesn't change the facts though. Its the majors battling this thing and you guys aren't.. ?! How much of this is effecting you, how can you be sure if people like aphex and other important artists aren't saying anything about it. |
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because basically it's 'not cool' to be seen speaking out about it. and that's the problem. |
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if it were as big a problem as you say it is then you'd think they would look past that? Seeing as they do have integrity or more of it when compared to mainstream pop acts. The only people who would be concerned with being 'cool' and down with kids would be oasis..and look at what they did? |
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Maybe a few of them recognise the fact that its kind of useless to squash one bug, when they'll only be a thousand more on the way.. Maybe they see the need to work with them... |
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every band that speaks out about it gets shot down and accused of all sorts of things. big bands speak out and get shot down because they're perceived as having enough money already. medium sized indie bands are too scared to damage their image by being seen to speak out about the problem. small, unknown artists actually support the filesharing culture because it obviously gives their music exposure they always dreamed of, but when they finally get signed and start to make a living from their music, the reality sinks in that in fact the biggest losers in this whole situation are the indie bands who are just managing to scrape a living out of their music. |
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well, maybe that's just life.. Suffering for your art and such.. hrmm.. If you went into expecting to be rolling in money then well, I doubt your music would sound good anyway.. I'd love to think you do it because its the only way you're able to survive (in a none secular way), through your art. |
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no.....it's filesharing...ho hum |
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I don't know man, I want hard proof and stuff before I start being so bold as to blame it ALL on file sharing. What I do know for a fact is that combating this in court like this won't do shit for anybody. They should start talking and stop the fighting maannn.. *peace sign* |
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