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offline mylittlesister from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-25 22:15 [#00234893]
Points: 8472 Status: Regular



hmm, i got this email today from a Martin Kendal:

Hi- First of all id like to say that ur email addresses have
all been cunningly obtained by me collecting names from
endless fwd messages along with record company mailing
lists. What follows is a very serious request.

If any of you ppl use p2p file sharing systems such as
Audiogalaxy, Kazaa, Morpheus etc -then you may be alarmed to
discover that RIAA [a group of American record labels] is
trying to do what it did to napster - EVERYWHERE.

Its starting with Audiogalaxy-

Audiogalaxy is in my opinion- the best file sharing system
currently available. It has a wider selection than napster
ever did and its community features make it a comfortable
social outlet.

So this is how we hit back.

If everyone who uses file sharing [and anyone who doesnt but
still cares about the right for ppl to sample music for
free] boycotts CD purchase even for a week, then the RIAA
will feel the effect. Ppl in the UK [or anywhere] are just
as valuable to this cause as the RIAA's influence stretches
worldwide. Of course, this boycott would have to be very
well timed. I am assisting its chief organiser in
publicising it at present and would be incredibly grateful
for any help anyone would like to contribute.

If you are interested, please, please contact me. I will
respons quickly to each email. I will post news of the
boycott to everyone who desires it.

Thankyou for your support of free music.



 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-05-25 22:17 [#00234898]
Points: 24578 Status: Lurker



i've been boycotting CD purchases for several years!! :D


 

offline nhiiq from the hanging valleys on 2002-05-25 22:19 [#00234900]
Points: 481 Status: Regular



copy-right protection broken with marker


 

offline mylittlesister from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-25 22:27 [#00234906]
Points: 8472 Status: Regular



"technically felt tip pens should now be made illegal as
they contribute to the break down of this copyright
protection technology"

"members of the on-line community are now actually pushing
to make felt tip pen's illegal to prove their point"

hahahahahahahaha


 

offline Asche XL on 2002-05-25 22:30 [#00234908]
Points: 4241 Status: Lurker



excellent

im in


 

offline Darth manchu from Cambridge (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-25 22:45 [#00234915]
Points: 1897 Status: Regular



as am i

The sooner they get thier heads out of thier arses, the
better.


 

offline Laserbeak from Netherlands, The on 2002-05-25 22:51 [#00234916]
Points: 2670 Status: Lurker



...or buy a box of CDRs burn tons of those RIAA hitrecord
MP3s on them and loan them to everyone in school, work, etc
so they can copy it as well


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-05-25 22:55 [#00234922]
Points: 24578 Status: Lurker



...or just find their HQ address and fly an aeroplane into
it


 

offline B3n from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-26 00:03 [#00235021]
Points: 4700 Status: Lurker | Followup to marlowe: #00234922



and you look so innocent in the photo!


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-05-26 00:06 [#00235029]
Points: 24578 Status: Lurker



in my other childhood photos i look like damien from the
omen ;)


 

offline B3n from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-26 00:06 [#00235031]
Points: 4700 Status: Lurker



you already do!

ceri reminds me of someone but I can't quite place it


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-05-26 00:31 [#00235066]
Points: 24578 Status: Lurker



Ceri reminds me of roger waters, very slightly, from his
early floyd days


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-05-26 03:03 [#00235215]
Points: 14550 Status: Lurker | Followup to mylittlesister: #00234893



ayo, ayo, ayo FUCK DAT


 

offline core from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-26 14:18 [#00235476]
Points: 1536 Status: Lurker



what bollocks. 'free music'.
too many people out there who are used to getting things for
free. i don't mind paying for music, the artists have to pay
their own rent for fucks sake.

maybe all these kids who believe in 'free music' will change
their minds once they eventually have to leave mommy and
daddies house and pay THEIR own rent for a change.


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-05-26 14:36 [#00235485]
Points: 19190 Status: Moderator | Show recordbag



I haven't bought a CD since Pink Floyd's ''Echoes''... then
I got a burner, and it's been free music since then... damn
right I'm a cold hearted, blood sucking music pirate! Arrrr,
matey!


 

offline Thelonious Punk from *fap fap fap* on 2002-05-26 14:40 [#00235487]
Points: 581 Status: Lurker



Core- "Free" music actually BOASTS cd sales, the industry
are a bunch of fuckwits and therefore can't realize this.
Instead of working with such downloading software (which
will just keep springing up no matter who they sue) to agree
on terms and things they waste Court time (Their and artists
money not to mention the tax payers) on stupid idiotic
attempts like this.

As for the record companies loosing money because of file
sharing, they aren't.. For one I download music (a few
tracks) to check music out first, I usually buy the cds
afterwards as I enjoy the feel of having saving and earning
good cds. Its not like I download whole albums yet.. I would
with cds I could see myself not wasting money on (IE A lot
of live records or even RARE cds of indie stuff I couldn't
get otherwise) but even then, I'd only do that if I had a cd
burner (which I don't at the moment).

So as you can see, men in suites tend to blow things out of
proportion and furthermore, don't do their research.

Now.. Artists loosing money? IN HELL!! Musicians get SHIT
ALL For album sales. Seriously, the get a quarter of a cent
per every 4 cds they sell (I think it might be even LESS
actually).. The record company keep the profits.. Artists
get money by gigging and so forth, the industry doesn't work
fairly, its been this way for years so.. SCREW IT. There’s
a lot of risk involved for musicians even signing with
labels, its like taking the worst mortgage out in your life,
and that too prevents the industry from taking risks and we,
the listeners suffer (getting the same sounding, filtered
crap over and over again- sound familiar?!).



 

offline Thelonious Punk from *fap fap fap* on 2002-05-26 14:43 [#00235488]
Points: 581 Status: Lurker




The industry is getting what it deserves in my view, for all
the crap they've put us through, I.E: over priced cds and
the change from vinyl to cd. MANY Artists fully agree with
this theory because as I said, they get NOTHING from their
damn labels. Its all their work, its their art, its separate
from this issue because the industry is only interested in
its business not its musicians.



 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-05-26 16:07 [#00235625]
Points: 24578 Status: Lurker



yeah core, you dumbfuck -- how much of the money do you
think the artists see from each sale? not fucking much


 

offline astrid-gil-botn from Londinium (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-26 16:34 [#00235642]
Points: 1649 Status: Regular



read this
http://www.arancidamoeba.com/mrr/problemwithmusic.html

also beware - mp3's are killing your favorite labels - you
won't be able to hear any of the music you like in a few
years time cos all your favorite artists will be working in
offices


 

offline mylittlesister from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-26 16:41 [#00235648]
Points: 8472 Status: Regular



i just think that people are too bothered about where the
money is going, and not bothered about how good the music
is!

If they, somehow, banned all free music on the net, I'd buy
less music in general, because i wudn't hear so much music.
It's quite a tough place for the record companies to be in,
but they've got to work with it, not against it!


 

offline core from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-26 16:45 [#00235649]
Points: 1536 Status: Lurker



Thelonius: LOL you don't know what you're talking about. I
work in the music industry, so I am talking from experience.


First: The particular kind of music you kids are into is not
run by 'men in suits', what a laughable comment. Labels like
Rephlex and Warp and Planet-Mu are run as modest operations
by enthusiasts, there are no suits involved. please get this
ridiculous idea out of your head for a start or I won't take
your argument seriously.

Second: 'Ophecks' comment above yours freely admits that he
doesn't buy music anymore and instead just burns it. So
there's one example already to refute your ill-informed
claims.

Third: 'Thelonius' says "The industry is getting what it
deserves in my view, for all the crap they've put us
through" - well, I had to stifle a laugh when I read this.
'Thelonius', what crap have independent labels put you
through, exactly? Apart from bringing you the most exciting,
innovative music of your entire youth?

I could go on but I think I've made my point about the
whining, spoiled masses of kids like you who think the world
owes them everything. For free. Now. Gimme.

Wake the fuck up.


 

offline mylittlesister from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-26 16:50 [#00235655]
Points: 8472 Status: Regular



if i was trying to make a living out of being an artist or
an owner of my own record company, i wud not like to see
lots of people free loading all the music off the net. But i
wud see that the internet is a great advertisement for
music.
I think I would be a bit bitter about losing out on
potential profits, but I wouldn't want to close down the
channel of listening on the internet

It's really hard to find a point of agreement, but stopping
the sharing on the internet seems like communism and free
music for all is just unfair to the artists, and would stop
people spending all their time making music.


 

offline mylittlesister from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-26 16:52 [#00235660]
Points: 8472 Status: Regular | Followup to core: #00235649



"what crap have independent labels put you through, exactly?
Apart from bringing you the most exciting, innovative music
of your entire youth?"

haha, well said core!


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-05-26 17:10 [#00235683]
Points: 14550 Status: Lurker



musicians' profits from the sales of their releases vary
depending on the contract they have with their label. most
popular acts who have been in the industry for a few years
know to wait for the best deal. if a big seller changed
labels at any time (nsync, mariah carey) you just know
they're making more money than ever. and if you're able to
move a million+ units, your profit % is far from modest.

as for the electronic labels, obviously that was a dumb
comment to make about suits. the people who run the labels
are a lot like the artists themselves; in fact, many of the
people who run the labels ARE (or were) artists themselves.
they sympathize. the artists are usually their friends. they
have no interest in reaping 90% of the profit. you can't
keep people signed to your label if they're not able to
benefit from their own recordings. the overall point is,
buying albums helps both the artists you like and the labels
that brings you those artists.


 

offline mylittlesister from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-26 17:17 [#00235696]
Points: 8472 Status: Regular



i dont think i could survive without buying CDs. I like
walking out of the shop with a new addition to my
collection, and all the artwork too. I've only got copies of
really RARE albums, like "Pocketwatch late" by Dave Grohl.

Buying the music is also like giving something back to the
artists/labels.


 

offline Thelonious Punk from *fap fap fap* on 2002-05-26 17:20 [#00235698]
Points: 581 Status: Lurker



EXCUSE ME CORE BUT ARE WARP OR ANY OTHER IDM LABELS SUEING
AUDIOGALAXY? HELL, NO, therefore all my comments were aimed
towards the senseless suites that are.. that was my point,
ddduuuuhhhh, these people refuse to work with them and THAT
is a laughing matter.. the technology is there, it won't
just go away. I said NOTHING of indie record labels. THEY
tend to be fair with their contracts THEY tend to earn less
money as a whole preferring to actually give it to their
musicians, unlike the real INDUSTRY who aren’t. As an
obvious conscious indie labels get less of a following and
less of the profits that major labels do. I do know what I'm
talking about so paahhh, at least READ what I write before
attacking me dammit.


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-05-26 17:22 [#00235699]
Points: 14550 Status: Lurker



what is "Pocketwatch late"?

i wanna hear dave grohl's "probot" metal album


 

offline Thelonious Punk from *fap fap fap* on 2002-05-26 17:24 [#00235700]
Points: 581 Status: Lurker



Again, you aren't giving as much as you think to the
artists. Not with the 'industry', no, its all karma coming
at them.. if they could these are the same people that would
use cheap labor to cut back on costs, they would become
multi nationals for the profits, they would do all of the
above because THEY ARE AN INDUSTRY! Again, I'm not talking
about indie labels here as THAT ISN'T THE POINT, they don't
have the funds to wage and waste court battles.


 

offline astrid-gil-botn from Londinium (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-26 17:24 [#00235701]
Points: 1649 Status: Regular



thelonis punk - how do you know what you are saying is
true?
but you are still willing to get free music from these
indipendents ---- erm?


 

offline core from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-26 17:24 [#00235702]
Points: 1536 Status: Lurker



Thelonius, it would be my educated guess that most of what
gets 'burnt' from file-sharing programs such as Soulseek and
Audiogalaxy is, in fact, on Independent labels.


 

offline mylittlesister from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-26 17:26 [#00235705]
Points: 8472 Status: Regular



Pocketwatch Late was made mostly in 1994, before, during,
and after the death of Kurt Cobain, and the split of
Nirvana.

He made it with help from Geoff Turner.


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-05-26 17:27 [#00235707]
Points: 14550 Status: Lurker



actually, warp stuff IS blocked on audiogalaxy (tho i don't
think they got "sued"), and supposedly warp tried to or is
trying to get soulseek to filter out their artists. there
was a thread about this a month or so ago.


 

offline astrid-gil-botn from Londinium (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-26 17:27 [#00235709]
Points: 1649 Status: Regular



it's probably rare music that is difficult to get hold of
because it is made in small quantities and may not be
distributed worldwide ie music on idie lablels -


 

offline Thelonious Punk from *fap fap fap* on 2002-05-26 17:28 [#00235710]
Points: 581 Status: Lurker



huh?! How do I know its true? Because I know how hard it is
getting signed, I know how the contractual systems they make
you sign work and I know how hard it is to break those
contracts..they have their 'artists' or the REAL artists
(not the pop ones that actually buy and live by the record
companies rules, you know, people like Britney spears who
would just as quickly sell themselves to McDonalds to make
money) on a tight lease, and they don't care. They're taking
fewer and fewer risks these days in place of profits so that
VERY soon, in fact NOW, everything on radio 1 sounds the
same. They'll come around I believe, when they remember that
to make a profit YOU NEED to take risks.


 

offline mylittlesister from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-26 17:29 [#00235711]
Points: 8472 Status: Regular | Followup to core: #00235702



Core, I'm not questioning ur honesty of anything, but how r
u involved in the music industry?


 

offline Thelonious Punk from *fap fap fap* on 2002-05-26 17:29 [#00235712]
Points: 581 Status: Lurker



Plus I don't believe the public are TOTAL idiots, they'll
realize what they like and the industry will just have to
adjust.. eventually..and hopefully.


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-05-26 17:30 [#00235713]
Points: 14550 Status: Lurker



tell me some more about "Pocketwatch late", i totally
believe you but i've just never heard of it before (not a
huge nirvana fan). was it officially released, did it have a
single (radio/video), did it share any songs with
self-titled foo fighters, what instruments does grohl play
(does he sing too), etc.


 

offline core from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-26 17:30 [#00235714]
Points: 1536 Status: Lurker



Thelonius, your beef is with majors. Your type needs to
attack majors, and support the indies and in particular the
indie bands.
There's a fuckload of difference between britney and bola.


 

offline mylittlesister from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-26 17:32 [#00235717]
Points: 8472 Status: Regular | Followup to Thelonious Punk: #00235710



lonius:
so ur arguement is that record labels arent going for 'new
sounding' artists, and that is how they are not taking any
risks?


 

offline Thelonious Punk from *fap fap fap* on 2002-05-26 17:32 [#00235718]
Points: 581 Status: Lurker



a lot of warp stuff IS blocked actually yeah.. in fact the
only genre that's totally up for grabs is classical music..
That's the only thing that's left untouched.. So I'd imagine
a lot of the stuff that gets burnt spans all genres and sub
classes.. as I said, I don't even have a burner.. The major
record companies are making MORE money off me because I'm
able to check out things before I actually truelly buy them.
How many people go into a cd shop without first knowing what
they're getting into? How would you know where to even
start?


 

offline core from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-26 17:33 [#00235720]
Points: 1536 Status: Lurker



'mylittlesister' you don't need to see my identification.
move along...


 

offline astrid-gil-botn from Londinium (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-26 17:34 [#00235723]
Points: 1649 Status: Regular



thelonius the music industry is just that on the whole -
industry what you hear on the radio is carefully plotted and
planned by marketers and accountants artists are dropped
for not getting into the top 3 - thats how it works ....


 

offline Thelonious Punk from *fap fap fap* on 2002-05-26 17:34 [#00235724]
Points: 581 Status: Lurker



The majors are the ones sueing yes? My beef is with them
because they are wasting MY Money. My point is they should
WORK with this new technology.. They need not be threatened
by inevitable change.


 

offline Sido Dyas from a computer on 2002-05-26 17:35 [#00235725]
Points: 8876 Status: Lurker



boycott ?
what a strange word.....Boy-Cott ? whats a Cott ?


 

offline mylittlesister from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-26 17:35 [#00235726]
Points: 8472 Status: Regular | Followup to titsworth: #00235713



Pocketwatch late - look for new thread


 

offline Thelonious Punk from *fap fap fap* on 2002-05-26 17:36 [#00235729]
Points: 581 Status: Lurker



I know how it works..that's why they aren't leaving anything
to risk..and true talent is suffering.. along with my ears.
The mainstream is crap but the sueing of these programs
won't help the indie labels or their artists at all.


 

offline core from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-26 17:37 [#00235732]
Points: 1536 Status: Lurker



(Thelonius:) "in fact the
only genre that's totally up for grabs is classical music..
"

that's because publishing copyright runs out 70 years after
the death of the composer.

most popular classical music has been written by composers
who aint gonna complain about you ripping off their tunes
because they're now too busy DEcomposing...


 

offline astrid-gil-botn from Londinium (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-26 17:39 [#00235735]
Points: 1649 Status: Regular



the majors need to block mp3's and file sharingbecause it is
not accountable - these companies are fucking huge and will
sell a label or sublabel at the drop of a hat if it is not
doing well.
I've worked in sevreal companies that have been taken over
by big companies and the company is just an assett - a money
making machine...


 

offline Thelonious Punk from *fap fap fap* on 2002-05-26 17:39 [#00235736]
Points: 581 Status: Lurker



In fact, by sueing these programs indie will suffer..
Because indie isn't as planned and there isn't commercials
placed on tv with Aphex twin promoting coke and shit like
that how will new people learn of his music? The answer is
simple, they won't unless they're able to hear its goodness
for itself.. Yeah, most of his stuff is blocked on
audiogalaxy..that's the GREAT thing about it though.. you're
left with live and rare bootlegs and things that you
wouldn't normally be able to hear and if you're new you can
still get into him and buy his records later.. Its STUPID
stopping this. WORK WITH IT WORK WITH IT WORK WITH IT.
That's what they should do.



 

offline core from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-26 17:44 [#00235739]
Points: 1536 Status: Lurker



burnt-out thread.

astrid, mylittlesister, it's always ultimately going to be a
losing battle arguing this point on an 'idm' webforum like
this


 


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