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THEY WEREN'T MADE BY THE FRIGGIN RECORD COMPANIES DAMN YOU! You've dragged them down to the level of the crap that's on radio 1 today with one condescending comment!’ |
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Damn right there was a lot of hype behind the Beatles... with good reason. They more than lived up to it, they kicked its ass and blew everyone out of the water, more than other similiarly hyped bands can say... they're the best. |
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Ermm.. The beatles RULED a decade.. Have you ever considered their hype was for once deserved? They STARTED as a pop band sure, so what, they made movies that seem charming now and all that, again I say, so WHAT? Its what they did after that that counts..they made history on a daily basis whether it was through studio techniques, producer interactions or hell just the way they used their guitars/lyrics. |
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Hell yeah they deserved it... right on. If any band is going to be the most popular band ever, selling over a billion albums and counting, only fitting that it's the most important band ever... One of the few times TALENT is directly proportionate to album sales! |
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John I think what you're doing is boxing them along with every other type of music.. in that context ANY ‘band’ would fall somewhat short.. You can't compare genres like that, its not fair, they made popular music after all..the keyword there being POPULAR. Also note my persistent use of quotation marks for ‘band’. |
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i dont mean to drag them down with the likes of dispickable crap like boybands. but i will never accept that they would be rock Gods of any sort. they made regular songs and added simple eliments that hadnt been used it wasnt that clever. wow they used an eastern style. how horribly creative of them. they used weird samples in yellow submarine or some crap. the fact is they could have done anything at all and you would have thought it was wonderful because they were the almighty beatles. fart on a snare drum. |
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What I meant by 'studio techniques' was the more revolutionary stuff.. like the FACT that they blended both right and left speakers.. before everything was instruments on one side, vocals on the other, it made things very boring. I didn't mean pissy submarine sounds. Read above, they were the first REAL kings of rock I would think.. seeing as rock is mainly made up of BANDS and they were the first real band type group to use that format, elvis should be placed with sinatra, he was a great SINGER and all, but he was no BAND. Again, read what I said above about genres. |
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And sometimes simple is good, look at some blues licks and you'd realize that. |
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Testify, brother. :-) I think the Beatles are easy to take potshots at because they're so popular and hyped... I don't think anyone would have a problem with them being rock gods if they had Velvet Underground like sales... just a hunch I have for some reason... |
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oh simple is great, but it doesnt deserve what they get. |
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As for eastern sounds, yeah that was major rip on a thousand years of culture but again, it wasn't like they RAPED it like some bands of today do *Cough cough,'Tool'* At least Harrison was actually into the culture and learned the sitar and actually didn't play it in a lot of his sitar based songs..yeah, he composed the pieces but he had REAL players play them.. plus he was heavily into the religion at the time and it just opened people's minds to something new. |
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Hrmm, I think Chuck berry deserves to be recognized as their foundation, that's almost ALWAYS forgotten. |
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they made music, and they made good music. nothing more. the only reason i retaliate against them is these adamant religious fans that wont let it drop until you admit they were gods that they werent. |
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let me open your mind to this crazy new thing... ill pick something random in other culture and bring it to the eastern world and youll all eat it up. |
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For once, there's somebody here that defends them with more viciousness than even ---I--- do... :-/ Bow to the rock gods that made you. :-D |
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Anyway, I'm defending something that's more a part of my past then anything else.. it all seems a little teenage because NO 'guitar bands' today really effect me as much (with the exception of radiohead). But yeah, as I said, it feels teenage and I don't listen to it as much as I get into the complexities of other things like jazz or classical music. |
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i just wish people would accept they were only a good band. |
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That's what I'm doing. They were, why should the hype effect that though? |
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no no i was saying ONLY a good band. nothing more. there are a million good bands out there. they are one. |
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they were kind of the first too, and the thing that you mentioned earlier was the fact that their hype bothers you.. They weren't really responsible for how people reacted but different strokes for different folks. To be a honest a lot of their songs in hindsight don't do it for me anymore, they are one of the few bands that have ever made me stop and think, 'well that's all well and good but it sounds a little too perfect to me', a little too orchestrated at times, hence I lack the 'buzz' a lot of the time with them. hmm.. But getting back to the ORIGINAL point of these posts, for a lot of people they were the most influential thing to come along then and indeed today because they kind of got their first, their hype only figures into this influence case a little more. |
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Oh, and the lack of buzz AGAIN is most likely hype's fault, not their own, at least, not fully. They've been used in so many junk movies and played on the radio for so long, you'd know what they were like even before you really started giving them a chance. You have to look at it in context, how they progressed and how everyone during the 60's did with them, it was all ‘new’ once. |
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yes, but hype bothers me about every artist. and i just get tired of people trying to prove things to me that i simply dont agree with, and trying and trying and trying. so i retaliated. cause ive had so many people over the years tell me the same thing about the beatles it gets so old so at some point i just want to say "screw the beatles tell me about someone else" |
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Then I guess you argue that the lack of buzz is due to predictable-ness, but again, is this THEIR fault when so many bands today try to emulate their pop formula?! |
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yes well, there's no real arguing over tastes, its rather impossible. They were indeed a good band, I wasn't holding them as the ONLY band or the BEST of the best, I was merely stating that to a lot of people, even still today, regardless of media invention and crap like that, are influential to a mass and are echoed as such in a lot of modern bands. As I said, even I, who has argued so valiantly, admitted boredom with some of their songs and a lack of buzz with a few. |
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no no im not saying anything about the beatles lacking anything. my real point is they dont have everything. if that makes sense. i want to see them for what they were, a simple good band. i dont bash that they were fine. what i do knock down is the preconception of the whole world that they were some great mericle and that there must have been something inhuman about them or some crap like that. my MAIN anger about them is all the sudden randomly all these teeny bopper kids start liking them just cause they are old timers and before they even sit down and listen to them they think "these guys were rock Gods" and they havent heard a damn thing yet. and then they start liking them simply cause they want to claim they are different than all the other kids at school. |
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read above. heh, my post about pop formula came BEFORE reading your last post. |
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Kids would claim something like that just to be different or more popular? Yes, well, kids are stupid and the charts reflect that. |
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exactly, so just color me a pissed off kid that will claim anything sucks at a given chance just to irritate someone. not everything i say is completely serious. alot of what i said was honost to how i feel but to an extent it was simply exageration in the oppoSITE direction as i feel everyone exagerates the opposING direction. |
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beatles invented music such as we know it today... not much have we advanced since they were over... really |
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Benjamin Franklin for discovering that lightning contained electricity & figuring out how to harness that power. |
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i do not make music influenced by the Beatles! wtf... i listen to them. but jeez... to say that ALL music has come from them... is OBSURD! |
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Marie Curie (and her husband) discovered the x-ray radiation and what we can do with it - but they never understood the danger of using radioactive radiation without protection.... |
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oh my god... how does this work - anyway?!?!? Sorry for my previous post, I didnt know that there were more pages... *frowns* |
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I'd say StockHausen....when it comes to form, structure & sound, he really pushed things forward... All you Beatles fans...dig out your copy of Sgt Peppers and have a look at the cover; he's on there...the Beatles used to namecheck him all the time, was a major influence on Sgt Peppers....The Beatles were cool because they took a lot of influences and made them paletable for a mass audience; that I think, is their major contribution... This is such a tricky one to choose tho...I wonder if we're missing the point by thinking about individual artists...everyone is influenced be everyone that comes before them to a certain extent...it's as if Music is a group project... |
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