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can I mount as well?!?!?!? PLEASE?!?!?!? |
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I like the harder stuff and the melodic stuff, both. Venetian snares doesn't cut it for me though--just sounds a lot like bad alec empire to me. :( Am I just not getting the right songs? It seems everyone else digs him. |
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some people just have a low tolerance for harsh/extreme music...their comfort levels differ...im sure there are people unfamiliar with electronic music who would probably find some of boc's stuff grating.. one of the things that i like most about this type of music is the broad spectrum of extremes within it...often within single albums...even single tracks sometimes.. in what other type of music can you have the most brutal track you've ever heard right next to one of the lushest soft tracks youve ever heard on the same album? i think maybe what people dont like about albums like go plastic and confield isnt the fact that their challanging and rough..its just that there isnt enough contrast between soft and hard.. like the difference between go plastic and big loada...i think the rough parts on big loada are rougher than those on go plastic...but the fact that their juxtaposed with softer parts adds contrast, which makes the album feel more complete, imo |
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i actually prefer harsh music theres so much u can do to it |
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flea, i think the mistake you're making about BoC is to assume that they fit in a 'techno' scene at all... |
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I love both harsh AND pussy music. When I'm angry, I just HAVE to put on something hard and insane, and when I'm mentally balanced I love stuff like BOC. |
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I like tsuff that's relally well thought out, liek this sentunce. |
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I like music that affects me in some way emotionally... and usually it's with sad, meloncholic emotions... and I find it hard to be affected in that way with loud, noisey songs... BUT, it doesn't mean I don't like any harsh music, because I do... but I just prefer softer, melodic stuff... |
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Flea: excellent topic. I actually have to agree, the more you learn to understand and love an artist, the more you learn to tolerate their "harsher" tunes. In terms of new music, I started listening to DrukQs only with vordhosbn and other accessible tracks, now my favorite is the somewhat harsh Omgyja Switch, and others. I started listening to Go Plastic listening mainly to My Red Hot Car, Go Spastic, and I Wish You Could Talk (Which is a PUSSY song, compared to the rest of Go Plastic), Now I fucking love the insanity of Boneville Occident, Greenways Trajectory, The Exploding Psychology. So ur right, I have a slight prejudice to people who can't really deal with the harsher music, because I know, from my own experience, that those who do listen to the harsher tunes, usually have a better and more matured understanding of the music. In terms of Older music, however, I feel some of it is just not good. There is no reason to force yourself to like something because its by Aphex Twin, or anyone else. When I listen to Analogue Bubblebath 1 I still think that Analogue Bubblebath (although "pussy"), is by far the best track. Some of the 4/4 "harsh" shit just doesn't do it for me, so why pretend that it does? Point is, there are people with good tastes who understand but just don't like the less 'accessible' music, and their tastes are no less valid than anyone elses... hope this made dollars and sense |
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depends on the mood you´re in, i think. I love the harsh stuff, from 180bps up!!, but from time to time, my wee_brain also needs a break, and then "pussy" stuff like Alberto Balsalm or the piano parts from Drukqs balance me out. ;) |
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If. I.. ne[b71146]ed... a.... break..... I...... just....... don't........ liste[error]n......... t[cb4278622-5295924353425-5827485762542-4234]o.......... anything...........[end] |
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wayout and xanatos..you made some very excellent points...pretty concurrent to my opinion..yes I love IDM, and more each day because of the vast spectrum contained within each artists body of work, albums and sometimes even the same song..xanatos I was the same way but only in reverse..I got into Aphex because of his hardcore acid phase..which used to be tossed into the EBM (Electronic Body Music..or Electronic Industrial..or Dance Industrial) sets by the Dj's at Industrial clubs in 1991/1992..and heavily into him again around 96 when Dwayne Goettel (RIP) of Skinny Puppy/download started name dropping Aphex and LFO etc as main inspritation behind his solo project aDUCK as well as the direction download was taking...the first thing I picked up then was Caustic Window which totally blew me away with it's ferocity and I started madly collecting everything I could get my hands on...admittedly being a musician myself the first thing that appelaed to me was the mindbending and beguiling, sounds and structures I found on Aphex's harsher tracks..for example..say in Come to Daddy...like I took to Bucephelous Bouncing Ball instantly then Come to Daddy..but when I heard things like Flim and IZUS the instant knee jerk reaction was to just skip them..but I curbed that urge and sat and listened and slowly these tracks unfolded all their subtle mysteries and facets..and now I cant imagine Aphex albums without the pussy/girl songs and infact Flim is up there on my all time favourites list..and I actually realize that it's much more difficult to write a gentle and deceptively simple melodic tune that doesn't sound overtly corny or cheesy than it is to create.. a more belligerent/ complex track and make it sound cool....infact earlier on somwhere I called my self a confirmed Aphex Hermaphrodite... and core I consider BoC to be more downbeat/triphop than IDM (though admittedltly they have cultivated a WARP sound for geogaddi) but still very much a part of the electronic scene..and as far as I am concerned BoC are fantastic |
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(overlong rant part2) at what they do..but you weren't here when the absolutely blind fervour and idolatory was being lavished on them upon the release of geogaddi repeatedly being called the best IDM/Electronic band ever..bzzt wrong...for me the problem with geogaddi is what wayout said not enough contrast and juxtaposition of harsh/soft elements.. |
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flea, i didn't read any of that but i agree with you!!!! :D |
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so do I hehe :D |
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read it dagnabbit..my fingers still hurt from typin it...:) |
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okok I read it. You made some excellent points there flea thumbs up :D |
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that's more like it...:) |
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yes, but by using the terminology 'pussy' to describe any music that is softer or more cerebral/melodic, you are firmly reinforcing the idea that hard techno/drill/whatever is the exclusive domain of the male chauvinist... ? |
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it's an established term..the way to describe a gulf of sorts in b/w aphex fans..frequently used by publications and such..it stems from his own description of his songs as being boy or girl songs... (from my previous post) "infact earlier on somwhere I called my self a confirmed Aphex Hermaphrodite... "..hmm..chauvanist indeed....my wife is a big a fan of AFX and Squarepusher as I am..so I think you might be confusing IDM with nu metal.. |
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it just seems that several times i have noticed people who are into the hard end of techno and drill etc are criticising the music of acts like BoC, as though those bands are poor contributors to that scene, whereas in reality they have nothing to do with it, and never intended to be part of it. or let me put it another way, it's like saying 'Yo La tengo' are a useless thrash band. |
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I think you are wrong about BoC's intentions..they ARE on WARP..and being promoted intensely as the next BIIIG IDM act....to me they are marginal contributors...I am into all ends of techno drill IDM..short of ambience without a pulse..I personally think far too much attention has been lavished on BoC while there are other superior bands on the label languishing in comparison..Two Lone Swordsmen and Plaid..to name two..off the top of my head..they dont seem to get the same kind of promotional push as BoC seem to be getting... Oh and I am actually a pussy in comparison to wife's tastes in harsh techno/drill music :) |
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well, vincent gallo is on warp.... he's not trying to be a techno act either, is he? |
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IDM and techno are almost entirely seperate entities..techno to me stuff coming out of Detroit as well stuff on labels such as Soma, Tresor, Nova Mute..etc... WARP's roster also boasts acts like Tortoise (rock) Antipop Consortium and Prefuse73 (Hiphop) Red Snapper (Acid Jazz/Trip Hop)..and yet all of these can easily be labelled IDM...what I have heard gallo actually sounds an aweful lot like retro synthpop/old skool techno and a bit of acid housy stuff..all very much accepted aspects of IDM... |
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but the whole point is, perhaps BoC seem to be getting a lot of attention simply because a lot of people genuinely love the music. what's wrong with that? |
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nothing..nothing wrong with it..just not my cup of tea..I think at this point this thread has bitten it's own tail..I suggest you read my previous posts in this thread to answer any further of your questions..:) |
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Not a question of BoC simply getting attention. Flea is 100% right, Plaid, who I feel are a much better group than BoC (whom I also love), get about 1% of the promotion that BoC does by Warp. I've seen adds for Geogaddi in U.S. magazines, and huge posters in the window of tower records, it's crazy. I've never seen anything like that for Plaid's double figure, or new EP. However, (core) you might be correct, the reason warp have promoted Geogaddi more is simply because they like it more, but it just might be that they think it will sell more copies due to its accessibility, or "oussy factor". |
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:) like I mentioned somewhere else..geogaddi is everywhere down here..featured album in every record shop, it's reviews in every local magazine even the trashy giveaway pubguide has someething to say about it..this is pure and simple PR excercise..any band without even a decent product can get huuuge with the right exposure and media placement..as proved over and over by the TV series POPSTARS..but a very good band with a decent product (I admit BoC is that) with all the PR push there is no stopping whatsoever...if all of this results in proprotionate sales remain to be seen... |
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look, the fact of the matter is that MHTRTC was a huge success, and so Warp are naturally going to try and get all they can from that success... how? By marketing Geogaddi with everything they can muster... but you know, there is a demand for BoC like Core said... and marketing is trying to give the customer what they want... |
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Right, that's what I just said. MHTRTC came out 4 years ago, when did you/most of the people you know who own it buy it? |
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oh, well I didn't read that message... ah well... :) |
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I like both. Though, I do prefer melodic because I just like the way it goes. A good example of this would be Plod-What happens to the hole when the cheese is gone. |
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Discussion of artistic preferences is so goodbad. |
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