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i think some of u may be thinking that we could send soldiers in and arrest these people and then our hands would be cleaner. watching this doc made me sort of finalise my decision that troops on the ground are a fucking mess. take note of the incredibly challenging geography in afghanistan - i really dont see how a squad of soldiers is supposed to do anything effective. |
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Ok, talking about it solely as a weapon platform and the morality inherent in that... Forget about the person being shot for a moment and think of the person "pulling the trigger". The poor sod having their head exploded like a watermelon will generally be out of their misery very shortly afterwards. The person doing the killing will possibly have to live with this for years. They come back after the war and often have psychological and behavioural problems as a result and as well as the victim's folks, you have a second set of family devastated by the consequence of a killing. The 'disconnect' a drone provides insulates the person pulling a trigger from this PTSD to a large degree. It's like people who flew bombers who don't really think of themselves as killers, because they never directly saw their victims. There is also a massively overlooked benefit, that relates to the point about accuracy. Aside from drones being more accurate than a missile, there is potential for them to be used to improve target selection above the level that a soldier physically within the theatre of war can have. A solider piloting a drone is considerably less concerned about being shot than someone stood there. What this equates to is much more time to pick targets and less "snap shots" being fired as a knee jerk reaction to what are actually innocent things: *Drones don't need to blind-fire around corners. *If there is a single shred of doubt in your mind that the guy running towards you isn't a suicide bomber, but someone running away from the bad guys, you can hang fire. *Drones don't throw grenades into windows of buildings because it's safer than standing highlighted against the doorway during a breached entry. On a related note, I know three engineers who are massive pacifists who develop weapons for the military/defence companies. All three tell me that they do it to make weapons more accurate and to ensure the targeting is more accurate, thereby reducing civilian casualties. |
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yeah exactly and those are good points. im really finding it hard to see why drones are unethical (except for the obvious orwellian fears) |
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Interview Chap: There's a sort of stereotype image of the architect as an autocratic egomaniac that we see in movies and in novels like The Fountainhead. You seem like the antithesis of that. Frank Gehry: Yeah. Interchew Vap: In the real world, what personal characteristics do you think a person needs to be an architect? Gank Frehry: Well, I think there are all kinds of architects. So one of the problems is the schools supposedly create architects like me. That's the whole thrust, and not many people can do it. I think the educational thing has to change a bit, so that you allow different kinds of architects to evolve, because when you get in practice, you need all these different skills. It's not something you can do yourself. I think that having an open mind about collaboration with people is important. If you are the Lone Ranger, it's a little bit harder, I think. I think that the iconoclast that you suggest, The Fountainhead, is hard to exist in the context of our politics now, in our world. There are a few people that try it and get away with it, but the people that do it, I don't see them producing what the guys who used to do it did. So it's a pose. It's not real. |
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If there is a single shred of doubt in your mind that the guy running towards you isn't a suicide bomber, but someone running away from the bad guys, you can hang fire oh sweet lord, i hope the dude that dropped that family fucker from thousands of miles away hasn't got ptsd, what an absolute tragedy that'd be |
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Back in 1885 my great great grandad used to use a remote controlled firing machine when in gun duels. He never lost. He was a hero, a hero that was never there. Isn't there some movie coming out where people rob banks whilst being thousands of miles away? Looks rubbish. |
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i always thought it was a conventional airstrike not a drone strike? (if its the same wedding massacre im thinking of...ykno how america sort of does those) |
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after a bit of digging you may be right but there were apparently plenty of reports of drones circling before the actual jets went in. but what does it fucking matter really, you think we'd allow hours of buzzing pilotless surveillance followed by a military strike on a shitload of entirely innocent civilians because they might be thinking things we don't like? it'd be fucking instant war, and while i understand geopolitics isn't exactly black and white our government are a bunch of sickening hypocrites for their complicity in this shit |
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if i covered myself with mud, would the drone still see me? |
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Yes. Some of the more crude ones can be foiled by wearing a "space blanket" (those tin foil blankets runners are given at the end of a race). I know that sounds like a bad piss take of the paranoid (IE href="http://modernsurvivalblog.com/security/how-to-block-i tinfoil hatS), but it's not, I assure you that it is r-infrared-thermal-imaging/" target=_blank>true |
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That's the crux of it; it's essentially a bunch of luddites who don't like the idea of a machine enforcing law, "spying" on them (even if that's in a public place), or in lieu of a soldier in a theatre of war. If you've just had your head blown off, it's a moot point whether a robot did it or a person, but people seem to like the idea of a person blowing their head off more and invent all sorts of elaborate moral issues and unlikely scenarios, in order to try and justify their irrationality. I'd find it easier to respect this view if people were just honest and said, "I am old fashioned, I want the person who shoots me to look me in the eye." |
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yeah ok but wait. i get why we hate the drones. the fears are there and drones have been characterised as an arm of americas war against terrorism which none of us really want to be associated with. it's almost fair to condemn drones but maybe its not smart |
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cErL'S rAy oF lIGhT iZ how much father? |
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hE Drizez s dROnE mOnDay sEeRViCes |
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hOw mUcH kIsSiNG baBoOn aSs wOUlD mEaN |
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Wars should be sorted out by swearing. |
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haha, i can see that leading to some interesting translation issues as the UN. what's the pashtun for jizzsock? |
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*at |
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I think you're right that the association with them as a technology belonging almost solely to Team America, World Police (TM) doesn't exactly aid their acceptance. Is the answer to the quandary that we send cheap RC cars to the middle east, so that the noble resistance to the western oppressors can put their IEDs on top of a Tamiya 1:64 scale 4x4 and "suicide bomb" that into checkpoints full of women and children? Is that more ethical than blowing yourself up for some vague promise of 72 raisins? Once drones become non-partisan (come on Taliban, get on our level), will they become more acceptable? |
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event horizon is seven hours - luls last words |
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Like Aids was invented to kill the black people, maybe the CIA will invent something that stops the Islamists growing beards, and then they won't be so muslim any more. Estrogen in their... madras? |
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valerie was a traitor and jerry lee lewis was the devil |
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tell em you quit is there something wrong? |
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now that you've decided to leave tell us what you plan to do next |
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