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sunglasses. obv |
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Lol, sadly it ain't that easy. |
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one word: great! |
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i believe in my heart that you will get there in the end, technology might save you, like a personal AI therapist in a suitcase |
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Is ACT basically the same as Dialectical Behaviour Therapy? |
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"ACT, Dialectical Behavior Therapy, Functional Analytic Psychotherapy, Mindfulness-based Cognitive Therapy and other acceptance and mindfulness based approaches are commonly grouped under the name The Third Wave of Behavior Therapy,[26][27]" |
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I don't know anything about DBT but i guess all these 'new' forms of therapy focus on acceptance of pain and mindfulness. One diffrence between CBT and ACT is that you don't dispute your 'irrational' thoughts. It is not about content but more about context. This is pretty helpful because my mind constantly mocks me, or generates unpleasant thoughts when I do these exercises, and it would just a huge waste of time if i started to argue with my mind... |
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Oooh, yeah, wow, hadn't actually realised how major the difference is and how much of a game-changer that makes it. Hmmmmmmmmmmm So you're saying, with ACT, you don't try to change beliefs, but rather just observe them, accept them, but also introduce new beliefs into the mix? |
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No. You clarify your values instead of adding new beliefs. And than you ACT according to your values...and this will be a very painful process. |
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Hmmm, clarifying values? Sounds basically the same as clarifying beliefs and/or introducing new ones.. Isn't that just splitting hairs a bit? I guess the ACTING bit is like exposure, right? |
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Values aren't beliefes. Beliefes are some kind of rules. And rule governed behaviour isn't very flexible. Values are more like the directions of a compass. There are many ways to 'go west'. So, if i want to reduce my fear of people and build meaningful relationships in the long run (which is a value), a concrete obtainable goal in that direction would be to talk to strangers in the public. |
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Yeah but your values are often defined by your beliefs, no? Like, if I value honesty, it's probably because I have beliefs about what being honest leads to (and is about) etc. |
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Yes, this is true. But lets say you value honesty, and your girlfriend (etc) betrays you. Would that mean you wouldn't value honesty anymore? The point is that you don't value the outcome, but the activity itself. Another example: You talk a walk a to do something for your health, cause you value your health. But It is raining and your feet hurt etc. Still you go outside because you value your health, and your health is more important to you than the physical and psychological pain you are experiencing while walking in the rain. |
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A rule/beliefe is a simple IF/THEN relation: IF i lose weight THEN i will get a girlfriend/Boyfriend. A value is independent from its outcome: I do something because i value the activity for what it is. I like working out, playing sports etc. If that will make me attractive for the opposite sex than this is just a bonus. |
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"Yes, this is true. But lets say you value honesty, and your girlfriend (etc) betrays you. Would that mean you wouldn't value honesty anymore? The point is that you don't value the outcome, but the activity itself." That's her acting dishonestly, so why would it effect your valuing of honesty? "You talk a walk a to do something for your health, cause you value your health. But It is raining and your feet hurt etc. Still you go outside because you value your health, and your health is more important to you than the physical and psychological pain you are experiencing while walking in the rain." Bad weather isn't detrimental to your health, so going out jogging in the rain doesn't conflict with your valuing of your health. "A value is independent from its outcome: I do something because i value the activity for what it is. I like working out, playing sports etc. If that will make me attractive for the opposite sex than this is just a bonus." I think I disagree. Values seem not to be independent from their outcomes. if honesty never led to anything good, then people wouldn't value it because they wouldn't have reason to believe in holding it as a value. |
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"your health is more important to you than the physical and psychological pain you are experiencing while walking in the rain." what kind of rain do you get where you are?! |
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You don't chose a value because of certain reasons. You make a simple choice, without any expectations or reasons. Thats why it is called acceptance and COMMITMENT therapy. |
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"Bad weather isn't detrimental to your health, so going out jogging in the rain doesn't conflict with your valuing of health" This is true. But it isn't very reinforcing either. |
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i don't think i understand you, and i think you might be oversimplifying things. but i'm too tired and don't seem to want to talk about it anymore. |
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Yeah well, this is a bit difficult for me to explain. But there is lots of great literature about this kind of therapy out there....on the internet....which you can download, if you are interested. |
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one of the psych classes i took was completely dedicated to this... the general terms are "intrinsic motivation" (you do it because you like doing it) and "extrinsic motivation" (you do it for other reasons. you can granualize it a bit more. there's a difference between, "this sucks but the reward is worth it" and "i hate this shit, but if i don't do it i will be punished." things can also gradually get internalized. you might get to really like that walk after a while, even if it's unpleasant at first. people doing stuff under threat of punishment will eventually internalize it enough that the punishment is no longer necessary... ...but i think the analogy you're really looking for is "it's like a muscle." you have to constantly exercise muscles, otherwise they fade away rather quickly. on the flip side, you can't bench 150lbs just because you believe in yourself, you have to build up to it. so i guess my advice is to approach it in a sustainable manner. anyone can behave themselves for two weeks; it takes another sort of person to keep it up for two years. |
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Word. |
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Today i introduced my CBT therapist to some ACT defusion techniques. I think she found it interesting, and didn't think i was teaching her. It is all very strange for me now. ACT as 'next generation' theraphy and standard CBT methods sometimes conflict each other. Context v.s. content |
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Today i introduced my DUBturbo |
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DUBturbo v.s. DUBturbo |
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