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bogdan raczynski? Isn't he from the uk or poland? |
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why not? You come to europe for IDM gigs? |
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poland, japan, canada, america, uk and berlin afaik not entirely in that order |
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i understand he was born in poland but moved to america as a kid so that is why i counted him. |
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IDM country/western 2-step |
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'idm' specifically refers to electronic music coming out of europe at the end of the british rave era, doesn't it? so can't we owe the term to "Brian R" or whoever started that mailing list in the 90's? |
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is there a sunshine guitar music station on pandora? |
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I think the electronic music in America is a lot different than what is going on in Europe today. The most noteworthy examples in recent years are not necessarily pure electronic music - such as Battles (popularized electronics as we know and love them in American rock music) and Prefuse 73 (almost a type of minimalist IDM) and J Dilla (opened America's eyes to the world of production in a very important way) etc. Rather, in America, electronics are often used in a more utilitarian way, and less in a creative (pure) way. People like Dilla and Prefuse are using electronics as an aid to sample-composing, and Battles is using it for rhythmic perfection and for its ability to layer complex but precise sounds. Compare this to the huge craze of house music beneath (Mexico, South America), above (Canada), and to the right of us (Europe). Across the pond, Europe's electronic musicians are almost exclusively composers, until you delve into more exclusive and local forms like dubstep. I'd rather have the popularity and complexity in electronic music that Europe has, but I think that, to an extent, America has crafted its own electronic aesthetics that is legitimate in its own right. |
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electronic music in and from america seems perpetually compromised by its own audience. the dancier stuff even more so. dopplereffekt,autechre come and tour and everyone just stares. i don't know what the dynamic is, it could be a million things but it stifles the crowd, and everyone's waiting to be led forth and told what to dance to |
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wrong |
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I don't care what people say about Flying Lotus, but to me, he is the one of the few live acts that's worth the money in America nowadays. His music almost bridges that huge gap so that people who settle for mainstream crap music can get into intricate dance music, that's why everyone's banging their heads when he's doing sets. That guy Daedalus showed promise, but he went in a weird direction with that style of his. The reason why no one from america dances to artists like Autechre is because...it' fuckin autechre? half of the time they play random arpeggiated tracks that have no sense of rhythm. They're unpredicatble, and more of a spectacle, just like any other great artists. |
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good old' flylo. his songs need to be longer. "golden diva" could easily been 6minutes... i dont understand how you can't dance to autechre, their live shit is like the epitome of underground hardcore dance music. even though the 2001 show had some rhythmically throwed off shit i think its still danceable. totally. its more than the rhythm that makes you move imo |
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ae live is rad beyond words. i danced. i stood there like "holy shit". i did both simultaneously. its great. |
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yeah AE live sets are designed for moving about to, but at the same time, you can enjoy it just as much as you mioght listening sat your arm chair |
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i think the big problem with the "idm superstars" coming to the us is not the crowds themselves, but the venue. so many times i've seen a big act at a rock club that just doesn't have the setup, flow, or the sound system for dance music, like amon tobin at the independent in sf. but come to some of the more underground stuff (ie artnowsf and an-ten-nae's shows in sf) and you see people dancing the heads to some face-melting electronic music on sound systems to match. oh, and when me and my friends went to see autechre in '08 we tore up the front row dancing and bumping into nerds. |
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well, the wiki article on idm was written by "mjb", one of the early members of the idm list. obvious bias there!! re artificial intelligence, yea that's true there was a name of "intelligent techno" that appeared in a couple of british magazines, but it died out very quickly due to embarrassment. british know when to throw their rubbish in the bin. idm list of america created "idm" and the warp records ppl put some of that list messages in the artwork of artificial intelligence 2. after this the timeline splits in two. in britain "intelligence" was embarrassed out of the culture and we continued making great music. in the usa "intelligence" grew and was the defacto interpretation of aphex twin, so the american "idm" music was the true genre of idm, and it was not good music. the problem happened in 1999 kind of times, because then everyone came online and mixed on internet forums. the american interpretation and way of thinking was represented by the people who actually said "IDM", the idm list americans. it wasnt used in uk very much at all. only the pretentious journalist simon reynolds. idm is just a name? no it's a way of thinking that affects the artist who makes the music. even squarepusher didnt mention idm at all until a cuople of years ago. basically the journsliasts forced it on him. to be honest thats why i think hes lost the plot recently, the shitty american idm list thinkings have taken over his brain and hes lost touch wtih the proper british eccentricity that made him soooooo good. and analord is nooooot idm!!!!!!!!!!! no no no no no no no no.... some of the ideas behind this is to KILL idm name once and for all!! influence the boys towards the true path for electronic music!! yes!! if the new aphex record is called "Idm classics" then we know the CIA and FBI are behnd it all, with their fake america genre mistake interpretation. it time to bury this fake gay philosophy under the ground bre!! |
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oh and i know wisp is american idm on fruityloops and this is pure IDM basically this is a conspiracy by venetian snares to spread a fake truth of idm venetian snares is animal lover, dont listen to him he is wrong everything wisp is good but dont let evil venetian snares spread the IDM further. he is wrong it will degrade our culture further electronics is the future!!!! we need a james bond of electronic musc to kcik ass and save the fuckin day. only aphex twin can be the james bond of electro hehe cos he's teh true genius of electronic music :-D |
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idm is just a name? no it's a way of thinking that affects the artist who makes the music. wow that's thinking 100 years ahead bre |
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hehe bre safe |
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and analord is nooooot idm!!!!!!!!!!! no no no no no no no no.... some of the ideas behind this is to KILL idm name once and for all!! influence the boys towards the true path for electronic music!! yes!! it's true, it's acid, techno and electro. ironic that while we may have coined or set in stone the term IDM, those 3 styles are in fact american in origin. |
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haha "idm" would group analord and richard devine together, and not mr. fingers or drexciya |
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that's right glasse ‘The Caucasian Persuasion’ “Ever since the blues and early jazz, black music has been stolen and exploited. It pisses me off that we let it happen. It’s a political thing; everybody talks about it under their breath, but they don’t come out and say anything about it. As far as I’m concerned, Richie Hawtin, Moby, and all the rest of ‘em can do what they want, but don’t step into my house if you don’t respect it. Don’t even call what you do ‘techno’! I don’t want to hear anybody saying Richie started any damned thing, ‘cos he ain’t started shit. All he did was step in with his money and his Caucasian persuasion and put himself on the market, and now he’s got all these kids riding his jock. We never had rich backgrounds; we were working jobs for $4.25 an hour. Our mamas never gave us money to buy keyboards and put records out. We work for our stuff. That’s why there’s a big difference in the music. “Why do Richie and his Plus 8 family come down here and throw parties in downtown Detroit? He brings in all these kids from the suburbs and from Canada, and that shows a lack of respect. I’ve been to every one of those parties and I’ve never heard an Underground Resistance record, a Cybotron record, a Model 500 record or an Eddie Fowlkes record. It’s a total lack of respect, and it’s got to stop.” |
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ye idm is ppl like this: ochre, chris clark, tondai braxton, anything like that stuff aphex is no idm |
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for those who aint heard it |
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from slices |
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(best performance vid of them in existence) |
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class. spot on sir=] |
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(crappy vid, but still ultradyne) |
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cool link set |
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Awesome videos. Whatever he's playing at the begining before slipping into "Mum-Man" is fucking incredible, I can't tell if there's something recognisable under the flangey assault. I like the shot of him turning all the knobs one louder, up to 11. |
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