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Her'es something i wanted to share for a while, If anyone thinks that humans as a whole can realistically adapt to space and change in such a way in time frame of say 300 years, look into current events and notice how many people don't know how to build a house. How refridgeration works, how their own automobiles work, I know people ought to have specialties/skills furthering the need for a workforce, but technology and the industrial revolution has far surpassed us and our future generations. Generally speaking, we now only need to know what it will take to get into such and such a college so we can get a decent job so that we can maintain our way of life as we knew it since youth. |
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yeah i think you are right about the divide between rich and poor, there are good people who are wealthy. it's still interesting to think about the psychological implications of how christians and other religious people will feel about only rich people being saved and the rest being left to die in my scenario |
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just took a walk in the woods nearby and told nature that you didnt really mean what you have said. |
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I guess 300 yaers is very short period of time for evoliutionary process. But I think human rather builds new technology which helps to evade problems. We are dreaming about chips - implants which can help to slove problems like information excess and time needed to gain that information. |
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TL;DR |
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Her'es something i wanted to share for a while, rly technology is natures creation not humans. Becouse every single technology is based on laws which is universal in nature. Things act like they should, every thing have shape which is based of reasons which is given by nature. For example electric motor have its design, and design errors in it, but its construction is based on adaptation to natures laws. |
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Robotics are also improving in recent news, 300 years is enough time to develop the positronic brain as described in Issic asimov's robot series. |
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very good point |
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just letting everyone know i considered posting "idiot" as the first reply but didnt because i was worried about seeming mean |
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has it slipped peoples minds that we ARE nature? |
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that depends on how you define nature. if you mean plants and organisms living in harmony, then maybe, but if you mean that we are all atoms and molecules then absolutely yes. but nature can evolve. nature need not be plants and animals, if an animal decides to evolve, and he changes the nature around him, maybe into some metallic city, then that is in a way also 'nature' there are no rules for how to live or what to do, so everything is by default natural |
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yeah thats more realistic i guess. terraforming is feasible over a long time period. |
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:D |
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Took the words out of my mouth gingaling. The human problem is that thought has attempted to divorce itself from nature to give life meaning. Humans are a product of nature, and therefore anything they do, by whichever means, is also a product of nature. So your entire theory falls flat on its face from that perspective. Man's biggest challenge remains how to utilise thought sanely and efficiently, not in the way it has been. Until that happens, all technological advancements for the benefit of man are perfunctory. |
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why do you say we havent utilised thought sanely and efficiently? |
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Err, 70,000,000 killed in WWII. That was yesterday in terms of the human species clock. Great use of technology that was. |
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I think of it in a different way. Like pulseclock touched on, people can be vastly different and mostly guided by what they want and feel right then and there. The focus is mostly on the things closest to us. Our brains are capable of a vast scope of thought and emotions from those thoughts, and with all the stuff we can think about in the world and universe, it adds up to a whole lot of 'human generated content' of which varies wildly. I'm not sure how this can be described as anything but sane. It may not be efficient on a global species level, but its damn efficient for the individual. I'm not sure humans can ever sacrifice much of their individuality to serve the 'greater good' or at least greater plan. And I'm not sure that's the correct way to live either. Nature and all of its organisms have always lived on individualism. Serve yourself and those/that which you care about, then everyone else (optional) If we all grew a kind of hive mind and began sacrificing our own thoughts and dreams for those of a greater plan, would we really lead better lives? Right now the main thing that holds everything together is money. A brilliant invention to say the least. We all serve the greater good because we get something in return, something universally accepted. But would anyone serve the greater good for the majority of their lives for nothing in return? And how would we start such a venture without knowing the future. Maybe all our work could be wasted. Wow that was long. ill stop |
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What do you mean by sane? Culturally, a person is only deemed sane (sound mind) if they obey societies laws. As soon as a person moves outside those boundaries they are regarded insane. If you look at the bigger picture, humans are governed by thought. Thought separates our instincts from reality. Thought implies choice, choice is confusion and therefore not sane. Other animals live in complete sanity, they do exactly what they have to do to survive as a species. Due to thought humans move further and further into the realms of insanity. They destroy themselves as a species for a concept, an idea, something that is not even real. |
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I dont know what your talking about but YOU dont know SHIT |
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you much be such a horrible person to convey attitudes and ideas like that. you must be awful. |
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to sum this up, we have a money system which has established social classes and poverty in the world, a vastly different belief in reality, a hungry need for technology and a dying planet in which we can only save by all nations working together. and yes we still like to dream about nano technology, robotics, space travel, and harnessing the power of a solar system to advance us to other galaxies via worm holes. why? simply because we like to think and it gives us hope OK |
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wow, interesting thought, i don't know why you used my syntax and spelling errors as a template though |
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Well, don't you think people are a bit more open minded nowadays. We don't all have to follow societies laws anymore. As long as people can relate and be explained why people live outside those boundaries they will at least be understood, maybe not accepted though. Second, your text implies that instict is not choice, that animals are in a way reacting like machines directly to something. But how do you know that's true? Many animals exhibit pleasure and enjoyment, and even guilt. If they can feel guilt they must have a choice right? I don't really agree that thought brings us into insanity. If we were without thought, we would not have created anything at all, we would be a basic animal running around like any other giraffe or lion. I don't understand why you want to reject thought, or reject the diversity thought brings about. We aren't destroying ourselves for a concept or an idea, those concepts and ideas are given to us by our brains, which is processed into being from stimuli and memories, which is all given to us by nature/the universe. Those concepts become us. Everything we experience becomes a part of our personality and shapes the person we become. Without any of that we would not be a person, we would be a machine. |
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are you being srs or are you just fucking around with me? :( |
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what if there was a machine... that could think |
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yeah look, there are a ton of problems in the world, but we can't drop everything we're doing because of it. i think it's a bit unfair to say such mean things about me simply because i had a crazy thought about the future and posted it on a message board. i mean come on, do you expect everyone to be in your exact state of mind (guybrush)? |
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close, but the planet isnt dying. |
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HAHAH all you loving men think you're right on with the whole humans being one with nature. We coexist with the natural environment, and we are in essence a part of it, that is our biological make-up, but our function is not the same as nature's. For example, when fleas live in a dog's fur are they one with the dog? No they coexist to perform a function, and if the fleas are dead, the dog still exists. We don't just flow naturally doing everything according to the way nature predicts it. We do have control over what we do, at least in our human capacity to understand so. We as individual creatures are not from the creative/nature source, we are from the reproductive source, this what a lot of people misunderstand. |
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I don't want to reject thought, that would be ridiculous. I reject our use of thought as an instrument. There will always be a counter-culture, but it will remain exactly that and achieve nothing. Religion and culture have ensured that weak people will always be brainwashed and manipualted into behaving ignorantly and to their own detriment. The majority want that, they want to be told what to eat, what to do, what to think. Besides, if you are expecting a counter-culture to rise up and overthrow society, you can forget it. It would just become another belief system and before long poison itself through greed and the usual desire for power and manipualtion. Throughout history that's all that has ever happened. Humans are basically fucked until they can figure out a way of using thought sanely and intelligently. At present, whether you get to enjoy life or not is down to the throw of the dice, and only the minority are enjoying it. |
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What do you mean our function is not the same as nature's? Our function is to procreate then die, there is nothing else. |
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whoaWHOA. thru the looking glass here. change your minds and follow him |
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you are also plenty brainwashed. must be cos of a weak mind |
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i also hate you. you sucky twat |
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this is so corny and embarrassing. |
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wow I'm having difficulty processing your second sentence. How can thought be conceived of and used as anything other than a tool? Isn't that the very essence of thought. |
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Why? |
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data is the only star trek technology that will be possible uin the real world but in star trek they make a huge deal out of him like he's so special hes the only one oh god a sentient machine but then in voyager they have the doctor who also seems pretty much sentient (as have other hologram characters before him) but they dont make a big deal of that for whatever reason. maybe data is special cause he has a neural net like humans do but its effect seems exacly the same as the doctors "subroutines". if i was in star trek id be like holy shit how can you make this ship go 100x the speed of light or holy shit how can you make this guy be here and then appear over there but no instead there like wow its a robot |
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the function of nature in what we as humans can understand (which is therefore limited) is to be a host for life and evolutionary processes so that survival is possible and necessary. This is just my understanding of nature's function. |
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when i say dying planet, what i really mean to say is a planet which is not habitable for humans, of course the planet it's self is fine as a natural system. but when it can no longer support life because of a imbalanced of oxygen and nitrogen you get a lifeless planet which to us is dead. But you do make a valid point still, the earth can renew it's self over a longer period of time after we're gone. |
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"the nothing else" is a random infinite of things that humans can do and plants and animals not. |
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yeah, so in what way is that different to the human function? |
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there is no function for anythign |
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I suppose a holographic robot is impressive, but not as much as a real robot with it's own circuitry ... anyway if you want to talk to a robot, here is she is a cunt though |
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Of what importance to nature are the things humans do that plants and other animals don't do? |
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nah , we make possible life on earth , thats why we are here and thats why nature is here, because of us. dont worry about pollution is a episode more on this great history of planet earth. -Captain K Billoncheurs |
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no a holographic robot is way more impressive than a real one |
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if we knew more about ai we could make a data today |
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earth is not animals and plants and we. |
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so first we must know what nature is. |
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if you mean a holographic robot which can interact with objects, then yes that would be, but if thats possible, then it would also be possible to create an entire world based on the same technology which i think is never going to happen, unless it already has *_* |
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