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I think that's the answer here, the phenomenal world is a advanced holographic interface which we can interact with and manipulate. the architect is another holographic interface and so we have a kind of fake within a fake reality, based on many sub realities. but what is at the source? |
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v1 is merely a holographic forum running inside of the real forum which is v2 and is already here |
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we just have to figure out how to turn off the holoforum but the controls are locked |
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my earlier post had an analogy that would explain what i mean better, "When fleas live in a dog's fur are they one with the dog? No they coexist to perform a function, and if the fleas are dead, the dog still exists." Meaning that physically, they ARE separate. Not divided by thought. Thought is a byproduct of the brain's function. Not a separate entity outside of us that we chose to attatch to. It is our brain's makeup to be able to interpret and understand the universe, from what i see, you think of that then as DE-evolution? Almost as if thought, or understanding nature from an outside perspective is a lie or futile exercise? |
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actually reading this whole thread starting from your first post, i understand what you mean, and like i always do, i misinterpreted what was said. I thought you were saying (well what gingaling said) was that nature and humans are basically all acting on a single force, as if it's all being controlled by one giant hand and we're all puppets to that hand. I was just trying to point out that human life on earth is all reproduction and division, and that thought IS separate from that. But i laughed when i looked at my post about nature's function, because that's the exact function of a mother's womb. I just hate when the thought of "everything's connected" starts to enter my brain, it just feels so consuming, like i have no space to do what i want. I guess that is me resisting nature., being Anti-instinctual. But i like viewing life from an outside perspective, i don't like feeling like life is not to be analyzed, as of it's supposed to be experienced like a drug or something, i don't know. |
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fuck *as if. ok i'm done, enough boring repetition |
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Unfortunately, boredom is the major problem for mankind. We have these thoughts, what to do with them? It seems that eating, sleeping, procreating isn't enough - so we use thought to try and give meaning to life through religion, philosophy, culture, entertainment etc. yet truthfully all of that is entirely meaningless. So, to date, thought has not benefited man, for all the medicine created by thouht, more have been killed by thought for nothing except an idea, a philosophy, and millions live in ignorance and poverty. Unless thought is given its rightful place, there is no point discussing a future for mankind, it will be a hell hole for all except the fortunate few. |
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I think there is dificult to talk about stuff like: nature, human, brain, thoughts, consciousness and so on. Thats becouse there is no scientific explanation, there is only philosophycal "explanation". So diging deeper meens go to learn philosophy. Again that meens you need time, to find good sources of information. Sry to confuse you, the truth is that I rised hypothesis that, human is completly seperate from nature and has no conection with it if time stops. Time stops I meen we not existing :D :D, becouse maybe we couldnt think... ok I meesed up :D |
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Well wait, when you say something like entertainment is meaningless, what then do you consider OF meaning? To me, watching a television show that interests me is a better way to spend my time than focusing all of my energy on my life's direction or what i will do next. Not to replace T.V. with reality, but for a means of enjoyment, for amusement, while i'm alive. Just like music, it's a practice, or activity that i like directing my energy toward. Even if it gains me nothing in terms of my purpose here on earth which is to reproduce, i still feel that the time was well spent. |
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dumbest. thread. ever. |
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in terms of what? What is your logical explanation?HUH? |
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I just went to the garage to buy some sweets, on my way down i saw 2 prostitutes, one fat one and one looks kind of sexy, but it was dark... |
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There is no meaning in life. And this is good think. |
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everything is connected, though. the universe in complete is a system, and every part of it can be broken into systems and layers. everything that exists or happens does so because of one element relating to another. everything is a chemical reaction, or a relationship or some sort of cause and effect interaction. do you mean that you don't think its connected like on some cosmic quantum level or something? i think its all connected in that way too. |
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you're all cells of a giant alien but you didn't know that |
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no i mean like us humans are all just different spokes on the same tire. I can't explain it other than to say that it was the reason for my 2-night stay at a hospital. I just felt as though everything was becoming connected, like all my perceptions of everything, it was a scary feeling and it's hard to explain. I just felt everything in my life accumulating. Like i had nothing at all. I think it was just a really big reality check. And now whenever i meet people that for the most part reside on those intuitions, i tend to want to stay away from them. |
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I just freaked out about life. everybody does |
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You have made the most sense in this thread. Don't believe the haters. Pulseclock, I think I know what you're talking about. I have had a strange, very scary experience of feeling a sort of one-ness. That's seems contradictory, as that's supposed to entail a good, even heavenly feeling. But I guess it was more of a trapped, limiting, suffocating thing. It was like, despite all the change that occurs in the universe, I saw it as ultimately static, a universe caught in a strait jacket. And I felt that a little bit to, not just thought it. 1. This didn't involve substances. 2. These are the kinda thoughts that can drive people insane. 3. When someone says "it's hot in this room," it's them that's hot, not the room. A parable. |
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It could have truly been more of a separation than a coming together, when it comes down to it. |
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save it for a better tomorrow |
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future micro/nano/pico technology body hacks tiny little robots could enter your body kill all cancer cells repair all disease heal anything, even make your arms and legs grow back if you lose them make your entire body bulletproof and damage proof a way to make you fly like superman a way to generate air and food anywhere you go so you can fly to neptune and go sightseeing with richard branson's own personal digital camera perfect vision x ray vision night vision telescopic vision change hair and eye colour on command audio output and visual output for the sounds imagined by your mind |
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When I read that I begin to wonder if humans have a very deluded viewpoint of the universe. As if we are on the brim of evolution into a truer deeper state of mind, or at least some of us. I have felt many times extremely weird, as if everything around me was unknown and strange. If I really contemplate it, I have no idea why I exist, why the universe exists. And it seems odd that we already know the answer to these questions. (We're all just animals running around on a planet created through energy that began at the big bang.) I mean is it really that simple? I have always looked for something more than what meets the eye, but I have never managed to find it. The answer is not in religion, mysticism, spirituality or anything like that, I find all those things are man made creations and not the truth. I'm not sure what I'm looking for, but I know little bits.. Like I want it to be more than just the normal life we lead. Like many people reject scifi because nothing in our world is scifi, and if it is it is a bad prototype thats way too human. But in the end our world and universe is far more complex and has far more secrets than we can ever imagine. Or maybe it doesn't and the universe is just a boring place. |
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bla bla thread. All dies. This is the end, my only friend the end. |
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Actually, we don't know the answer to everything. The Big Bang is only a theory - and even it it wasn't nothing explains what caused the big bang. It's unfortunate, but you just have to accept that you don't know why you exist and you're probably never going to know. Inventing a belief system to justify your beliefs is absurd. The fact that humans are still running around doing that shows how primitive our use of thought really is. We're not much more mentally evolved than a fucking monkey if we still can't figure out how to accept the apparent futility of existence. |
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You can have a belief system created by yourself and still realize reality and life objectivily is pointless. We have to indulge in what we believe in otherwise we could just commit suicide together cause there's no point then. I don't believe nature created us for suicide, I believe we have these belief systems in place precisely to indulge in them. I'm not sure what thought process you have in mind that would transcend the current state of affairs. Can you give an example of 'good' thought? |
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When are you going to realise you're just an animal. As a human being you're not any more special or relevant to nature than a beetle or an earthworm. A pig doesn't need a belief system and neither do you. You're the same as any other animal, a multi-cellular organism whose brain just so happens to have evolved into a much more complex state. You need a belief system to stop you from committing suicide? Tragic. Why can't you just accept there is no meaning, once you accept that as fact - not a philosophy - then all your miseries will disappear. This perpetually struggle to find out the meaning of life is the root cause of your malais. |
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NOBODY KNOS ANYFINK. |
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I agree with everything you say, I just don't agree with your conclusion. The universe objectively is neutral, it has no value or subjective meaning - this is created in our heads. We don't have to accept objectivity when we have the capacity for subjectivity. In fact I don't think it's possible to reject all value unless you commit suicide. I'm not looking for anything remotely like a meaning of life. I'm looking for a way to enhance my siubjective experience through the things I physically do and experience, and the way I perceive those things. You have to separate the objective from the subjective, and truth be told, there is no such thing as objective. You are clinging on to a feeling you have that there is no meaning, without realizing that the word meaning, and meaningless are created in your head. The universe knows no such concepts as meaning or life. Your opinion that life has no meaning is as subjective and belief based as anything else is. |
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Actually you're wrong to say that we're the all the same. We are all very different creatures, though we have the same chemistry and cna survive from the same things. But every human is different like every animal is different. Being born as human from the beginning separates us from being like an animal, even though we are inhabitants on the same planet, cellular organisms are the make-up of a differing species here on this planet and which all have functions that are not similar at all. You group together all living creatures as "animals" But every species has a different inherited function, but we ARE related by the fact that we are alive, we die, we procreate, and we are a reproduction. |
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Facts are objective, opinions and ideas are subjective. So, there is no such thing as subjective. I have an objective opinion on the universe, because it's based on the available scientific data. If I held a religious view, that would be subjective, i.e. foundless. I wouldn't call my objective views a belief - as in a belief system, as there's nothing to believe in. Objectively speaking, it appears as if there is no meaning to life, there is no hard evidence for it - that's a fact, as far as we can call it a fact. As far as I can say that I am now sitting on a chair is a fact. Why do you want to "enhance" your subjective experience? Boredom? It would only be an escape, like any other form of entertainment. |
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entertainment isn't an escape. And don't use the word escape if you're not meaning it literally since it really isn't objectively valid or appropriate. You must think anything besides surviving, and reproducing is turning away from the truths of reality, which is not true |
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We're all animals I said. That's a fact, unless you don't know what the word animal means. We may be different types of animal - behave differently, look differently, but our purpose according to nature is the same. Survive in order to procreate, then die. Anything above that is unnecessary, not wanted or needed by nature, least of all the crap humans come up with. |
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no.humans are not same as animals. we can talk and communicate via lenguage, we can use the "word" so thats to create. Technologic. WE ARE NOT ANIMALS |
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I'm a fucking animal in the bedroom. |
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just because we are designed for nature's evolutionary purpose as you say, then explain why a cat basks in the sun if it does it nature no good. The point i'm trying to make is that we as animals interact with nature and just because we have a designed function doesn't mean that it is our primary mode for living in reality as nature intended. |
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Animals brains operate on a very linear function, they live in the moment, that accounts for all animals, feel free to dispute it.. I do believe animals have basic feelings, but they are emotions for each passing moment for example, i smack my cat and he's ears go back and he lowers to the ground in a submissive state, he is upset and angry, but then i stroke him and he is OK again. I'm sure my cat is not sitting on my lawn thinking about what a cunt i am, he is just feeling a cool breeze and looking at things moving. nothing else. Humans have the ability to reflect on past memories, or dream ahead to the future. and we can live in the moment too. this gives us a vast awareness of time and makes us far more superior to animals, putting us into a unique category of species, special even. thanks Larn |
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What is our primary mode for living then? |
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we all think we can see nature for its entirety, we even think our basic fundamental understanding of perception is truth. So how does it make sense to think you have any knowledge on the "needs" of nature. First of all nature doesn't really need anything. It can survive without a human fucking another human to make a child. |
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i don't pretend to know. I think typing something like this would make more sense, 21390543708943njklndrf0ru028-4jr That is our primary mode for living. |
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You might think you're superior, doesn't make you superior. Nature would be just as indifferent if humans were made extinct as if wasps were made extinct. |
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haha i love when cat's emotionally react. |
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whoops meant cats |
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What you on about? It's apparent that humans' primary reason for existing is reproduction. The proof is all around us. If there is another reason, there's no evidence for it whatsoever. What's the point in saying "there might be" as if it's fact. It's not fact. But it's a fact that animals reproduce to survive - so leave it at that. |
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no no no |
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No evidence? Then why the hell do we have language, abstract thought etc? Isn't that evidence enough? You are once again somehow denying that nature gave us thinking facilities beyond mere reproduction and animal like behavior. If our main purpose was reproduction we wouldn't sit here typing on the internet, we would be out having orgies in the forest. There is an astounding pile of evidence to show that humans are more complex than other animals - you can begin with art, technology and social behavior. |
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You must misunderstand me. I'll try and spell it out. I'm not denying nature gave humans the faculties they have, how could it be any other way? However, that does not mean humans are more important than any other animal. Art, technology etc. is a by-product of thought, that does not mean nature intended us to use thought to create art. Like everything in the universe, the evidence leads us to beleive that much of what exists, or gets created, is random or down to chance. By chance, humans evolved into a more complex form of animal, but still an animal. Despite being more complex and capable of being able to do infinitely more things than other animals can do, there is no requirement from nature for us to do so. In fact, there is no requirement for us to do anything other than survive, fuck and die. You can say there is, but there's no evidence for that. There is evidence, however, that as an animal our primary purpose is reproduction. You can superimpose onto that what you like, doesn't make it so. |
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what you on about? I don't know who you're quoting but i never said there might be. And i wasn't responding to your statement that the reason for humans existence is to procreate. I was replying to your little theory that things like entertainment or anything beyond reproduction or survival has no meaning. But you can obviously see through the eyes of nature, so i'll just trust in you. |
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Actually, how do we know what nature intended, and you even say yourself that evidence leads us to believe most things are random and created by chance. A human has the power to consciously make a decision to not reproduce, and then die without having children. He didn't actually make this choice himself, nature already created everything that made him capable of thinking that. A human doesn't have any requirement at all, at least not reproduction. That is a subjective opinion you created in your head based on the information you have. You don't seem to realize that this viewpoint you have is completely fabricated in your brain.. There is no such truth or requirement in nature itself. |
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So what meaning does entertainment have then? Other than being an escape from boredom. You get some pleasure then forget about it - not saying there's anything wrong with it. |
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