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good thread |
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got to say that dmx krew nu romantix is fuckin superb |
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hell ya it is now go take some grrls pants off |
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tru |
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wtf is "illigal" bitch learn to read |
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i always get fed up with people who demand FLACs but still wont just buy the fucking thing |
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mod please close this thread |
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roygbivcore, no doubt. i buy the vinyls but my gear isn't up to the standard to do a proper rip myself. wish the packaging would become #1, again. hafler is an experience (opening/listening)....even the cds. wish others would follow suit.it would make it much more intimate. (waits flame) |
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my setup probably "ruins" records aswell, that counterweight is ace btw! :D because i can only afford a certain number of releases a year id appreciate flacs for mp3s as tracks for sale. i can see why some people may consider that a perversion, but itd be better than not buying the album with that excellent track on it at all... |
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it's such a small group (marketing/selling group), (these IDM/sub-genres) you would think that even if a person TOOK THE TIME to PIRATE YOUR MUSIC. ....even though you are seeing that as being STOLEN FROM ... at least in/out of THIS ENTIRE PLANET OF PEOPLE NOW MAKING ELECTRONIC MUSICS ... that at least SOME ONE took the time to LIKE/APPRECIATE your musics enough to PIRATE IT. that that would be appreciation enough. the people who are pirating music are generally downloading it because they like it ...so in the same sense taht you aren't getting paid for it at this very moment, at least someone is having a good time with regards to your tunes. anyone get what im getting at , there ? |
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your whole justification is very elaborate and amusing. |
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music for money is a mugs game anyhow. if you want to survive find something sustainable .. then you can pursue art for art's sake. |
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Easier said than done though, wish artists could apply for some kind of compensation. |
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it is easily said, the reality is that theres no such thing as an easy job! if we want to survive, then we need to help others survive. |
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Some artists are doing more and more live shows, even Dopplereffekt. The markets are changing and are not as profitable as they were during the 90's, I imagine it's very hard for someone who made a living out of music and now has to get a regular job. I know the main guy from Drexcyia used to drive trucks and that never got in the way with his music, it's someting the knew people have to consider. |
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ive always felt at odds with the needs of a market when it comes to art. if someone is to pursue art for a living then they certainly need to practice in keeping with current trends. i question whether that sort of conformity can allow for the personalised potential of art: even though we are conditioned by our peers and surroundings, every one of us is as different from each other as leaves on a tree. perhaps our creativity has the potential to reflect our natural state? it seems to me that conformity to market requirements can crush that potential. of course, we can do whatever we want with our work. historically speaking, painters often worked within their trade for a living. some of them took risks, stepping outside of market trends, and starved as a consequence! this seems to confirm that art performed for arts sake cannot be relied upon to put bread on the table. |
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it drives me a bit mad, for example...a painting or musics or et al etc can be worth so much money; why arent civil engineers, bridge designers, building designers, held to these same standards of praise/pay? how can a painting be worth millions of dollars, and the designer of the bulbous bow not be compensated for work that helps in the real world? mindblowing. |
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I'm an electronic engineer. WORSHIP ME or STFU |
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oh fuck off, you know what i meant by it. |
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we need artists not capitalists! |
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we need less shit clogging the toilets |
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it's not a fucking dump truck! |
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yeah i mean why would you give someone money for making something you enjoy and why would you want money for something you put a lot of yourself into that people are just taking pfffff artists |
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because artists are reflective of the society, and they're job seems to be to reflect, while others jobs are to provide for the system of civilized life to function. Art and Music's real only purpose is to exist as an artifact or replica of life. and others jobs are to sustain life and keep it happening. That's why artists are fucked up, because they are always contemplating the worst shit about life. Look at Ian Curtis from Joy Division, probably felt like he HAD to kill himself just because of the amount of energy he felt his band was giving to the world by doing his music, he could not handle it, and made up his mind. Art for the establishment is a trap, or atleast i think so. |
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oh yeah i was replying to elusive. |
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i think you have seriously mis-interpreted my meaning/what i was trying to convey. my apologies for not being able to describe my point better |
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for one, god knows that anyone here who downloads music regularly couldn't ever afford the volume of music they get for free. so if they never would have heard the music nor paid for it in the first place, what's the harm in letting them listen anyway? secondly, you say people are "taking" the music for free, when there is no taking involved. no one is going in and removing precious records off the shelves, preventing other people from purchasing it. p2p file sharing is NOT theft. third, paying money for cds/records hardly gets any cash into the artist's pocket - most of the price of a cd goes into paying promotion, pressing, recording engineers, packaging etc. like i said before, if you really care about giving something back to the artist go see a live show and buy some merch, that stuff has a much higher percentage of the profit going towards the artists themselves. |
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we need more jimmy youtube videos |
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popular music now, with the rise of internet downloads and mp3 listening, has created a whole different era from the times of buying music from a store and paying for it with cash. I read recently online that ISP's will now put a filter on their services and they will be able to look through your downloads, and if they are mp3s of artists or anything of that which would be considered "theft," they will add it to your bill, this method hasn't started obviously, and might not include all ISPs. who knows |
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why? |
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"popular music now, with the rise of internet downloads and mp3 listening, has created a whole different era from the times of buying music from a store and paying for it with cash. " no shit? "I read recently online that ISP's will now put a filter on their services and they will be able to look through your downloads, and if they are mp3s of artists or anything of that which would be considered "theft," they will add it to your bill, this method hasn't started obviously, and might not include all ISPs. who knows " sad that you are even attempting to explain net neutrality or the concept of application layer packet inspection, when you clearly don't have an understanding of anything in regards. at least you are aware of what can happen, but you really shouldn't be quite that terrified...that's a huge claim to make and make possible. for now, dont lose any sleep over this happening |
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well it seems like you know this VERY well, which is good cause i dont' know shit about the way the net works (sadly, maybe i can take a college course someday) so then why do you even give a fuck about what people are saying, let them defend their artists, and you'll get whats coming to you. |
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because it's rotten :) |
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i don't really have a position in this thread; i just posted some music. you are having a fit and mis-understanding anything that i have conveyed here. |
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midgets |
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It's very simple: the ease with which music is copied means that music is now free. That is a fact, not a moral judgement. People pass lossless or 320k albums around as casually as lolcat jpegs. I have hundreds of gigabytes of music. Some of it I'll almost certainly never listen to even once. I'm constantly downloading more. I'm just amused that someone can post a bunch of links on zilty as though it were something rare and special, rather than the dataclutter it actually is - and that people will un-ironically argue about it. You might as well argue over ice cubes or stacks of recycled paper. |
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it's only a stage, some will grow out of it. some have grown out of it. one of the most rewarding feelings i had is the day i went through all of my tunelists and deleted any shit tracks from full album downloads...and just kept the good'uns or the ones i listen to a lot... i hada conversation with a coworker about this: he wanted to have a massive collection, so that he could listen to any track at anytime (if a guest requested a certain track, he could play it). i argued that it was overconsumption, and the way things are today, it would take him no longer than 3-5minutes to find basically any song. therefore, since it is available almost on-demand, he should not be hoarding things he does not use often (or downloading music just for the sake of it / it's there / it's so easy). |
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everybody who reads this thread should watch that movie "fando y lis" |
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cant believe nu romantix is 10 years old! |
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i need to shave my beard |
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sick as......... |
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you will find that artists dont WANT money; they NEED money. it is their gift to society. quite often they never see the silly money that is paid for their art, van gough never sold a painting in his life for example. |
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basically money is a necessary evil today (more than ever). |
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im sorry man but thats bs.. downloading files is theft.. it doesnt matter if you take a physical item (which is unique) or if you copy an mp3, the point is that you are taking something which isn't yours until you have paid for it legally. the definition comes from the action, not the result. |
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that said, i dont think you're justified posting these here. especially not last step, tuss, etc |
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delicious flacs. |
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richarddjames@hotmail.com |
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wrong. |
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I remember writing my dissertation on whether art should be a commodity. I wasn't running a label or releasing music at the time though, so I guess my perspective is different now though. In an ideal world, music would and should be free. In reality, having to work full-time to support your real love is soul crushing and no doubt leads to a lot of talented people going unnoticed, simply because they don't have the energy to work to their full potential. Artists don't make much money from music sales, but labels (which are often run by artists anyway) depend on them to keep putting releases out there. They don't have a magic money well and eventually, if sales just aren't there, they're gonna give up. Not every artist performs live either. |
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