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alright therapist, i think we just had a breakthrough |
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im keen to argue that subjectivity is real and valid. certainly, reality would be without us; it is our privilege to experience it :) |
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Im just saying how I feel about it. And I will at times get bold and borderline offensive. Don't hate me for it and don't feel like you cant believe what you want its not about that. I just think that is a view that is very common in modern times and I feel compelled to challenge it. I think it stems from environmental factors in the world but not the core spirit of life. |
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Your attachments to life are what define it. We also have mutual, cooperative agendas that connect you and define you within the human environment. Whatever platform your 'existence' is on I feel you can comfortably rely on this as your reality. The physics and science of the platform is just endless speculation |
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What is real and how do I feel about the world around me are two different things. If your experience was a garden paradise where animals came up to greet you and you never had a worry in the world would you feel the same way about your reality? |
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I don't doubt that you feel strongly about it, as do I, and i would bet that you have a big heart, and you're a nice guy, but from what i understand, you believe that every modern scientist, physicist, or any other proffesion that deals with stuff along those lines is devoid of emotion/feeling/spirit, which is possibly the same reason why there's a conflict between "science" and "religion" Both ideas just letting people be interested in what they want but comparing themselves to one another, ego. |
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Reality is....SHUT THE FUCK UP |
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Sorry glasse, i understand where you're coming from, that's what should have said in the first place |
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hah are you being serious you are out of the cools |
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i didn't realize until just now how much i like tthis stuff, so i'm sorry if was clogging the forum with disussion, just very cool that's all |
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I don't think he meant that. This thread did start with cx questioning the legitimacy of reality and if it really had a meaning at all. I think ma man Glasse was just saying there's all the meaning in the world to be had |
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they're not two different things, something real in your brain just happens. if you manage to undestand and see a phenomenon it doesn't automatically mean that you know how could it happen. |
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I am the cools, bitch. I will crush you like a breadstick! |
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i dont interpret glasse's comments as a rejection of science. the impression i get is that he is challenging the renunciation of subjective or spiritual reality in favour of the physical; which is perhaps the crux of the argument. |
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"Your attachments to life are what define it. We also have mutual, cooperative agendas that connect you and define you within the human environment. Whatever platform your 'existence' is on I feel you can comfortably rely on this as your reality. The physics and science of the platform is just endless speculation" -AMPI MAX |
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its all good pulse. did you enjoy your video lesson? |
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i just wish the way people viewed spirituality (not religion) and science was more seamless and would let them shake hands a little more. |
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Lets get spiritual: So like, who made all this 'existence' shit then? I think it was god. I've done it all for you *applause* |
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I really agree. I've always been an atheist but not pondering beyond is ignorance. Humans have always believed, then we come along, reinvent the existential wheel and close the book on the subject? I think we shouldn't |
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yeah i enjoyed the video, liked the ear bleeding part, couldn't help but feel like you were being arrogant and making fun of me though, there goes the damn feelings again, wish i could turn them off. sorry i mentioned religion too, just thought it was a word closely tied to spirituality, probably just a cultural defect of being brought up in the states. |
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sorry to question you ampi, but why do feel the need to call yourself anything a musician? Do you really feel atheism is purposeful for you? |
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*anything but a musician |
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well, my understanding is of an interdependent nature of reality resulting from an infinite series of causes and effects. spirituality involves an understanding of the nature of being beyond the concepts of self and ego. to argue who put what where is another example of subjective bias. i think the point which many of us are trying to argue is that we require a balance between objective and subjective interpretation to form a more accurate approximation of reality. |
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yea i didnt mean it that way thats why i said its not to make light of the thread. i am just very impulsive and if something reminds me of something i have to act (well it takes a great deal of restraint for me not to) |
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no i just said spirituality rather than religion in an attempt to make it feel more real. religion makes people think of ceremonies and hate and being generally dull. |
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yeah i guess i will open an honest and say that i haven't been the happiest guy, so taking my mind away from the feeling aspect of my spiritual side can be kind of refreshing, but maybe too refreshing. i don't ever wanna be a person that feels nothing. so if if im headed there, let me know. |
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ok so we're all made up then. AMPI MAX doesn't have to be out of the cools and ill try not to come off like an arrogant prick (i really dont mean to). |
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Yeah that's like totally what i said anyway *Applause* |
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i always thought ego was the one thing no one could ever relinquish, because one has to possess it to pertain a frame of reference |
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i can have a subtle playfully mischievous kind of sarcasm that people don't always know how to take. and then when i switch to serious mode they are further confused. |
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I used atheism as a mere description, not any kind of occupation |
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yeah but then sometimes you're like your Xltronic username, transparent. OOOOOOOHH SHITTT SONNN OHHHHH hahahaah anyway your name is spelled as glasse, so the joke's on me |
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oh alright |
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its pronounced glass. being deep and shallow adds dynamic to my style. |
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Lets all give pulseclock a cheer up tickle!! |
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yeah is this you? |
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goootchy goootchy goooooo yoooou |
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Youre never shallow |
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no i found that fucker too he has my name mine is myspace.com/glassehbg |
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he better not try to sue me when im famous |
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thats precisely what buddhist monks do (warning, buddhism); they renounce the ego as a means to directly experience reality. the idea is that through the attainment on 'non-self', one's perception is no longer beseiged by illusion or preconception, and suffering can be ceased. buddhism is frequently misunderstood as being a rejection of or escapism from reality, when in fact, its goal is to appreciate and accept reality's true nature. it may also be interpreted as an extreme rejection of subjective reality. once again, the process of rejection is misinterpreted. transcendence of illusion and suffering requires an understanding of subjectivity; indeed, knowing how the mind works. |
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that was so big brother :) |
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Who's got yer name?! You wat me t break 'is legs? |
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this polish dj. i dont even know what his stuff sounds like i guess i should listen. |
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Or you could do what most humans do and ride the suffer/happy ratio to death. THE WALLS ARE WHAT DEFINE YOU. |
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I'll make sure he never dances again. |
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you people are probably the only people i would validate my opinions with, usually anyone else is too wrapped up in their own "world" of troubles i'd rather let them figure their way through the bull shit themselves, maybe that's why i have not many friends anymore. |
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then again i may just have a huge complex which makes me belive that i have alot more things figured out, and therefore makes me come off as an uppity-asshole who may as well dress up like napoleon everyday, because that's who i appear to be hahahaha |
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You have a whole mb of digi friends. We are like pokemon and i have a sonic algorithm whip attack. |
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then my attack is the inferiority complex X50 with an added bonus of Mysticism Musicz only if used when HP is at 100% |
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