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select the run feature as your attacks are useless against the many pokemon armed with a lv 10 sarcasm beam |
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yes the RUN feature, which i usually forget i have until it's too late, and i never prepare myself with Xltronic balls containg Full HP as i am diseased with the Act On Impulse virus. I will battle my way through the dark cave instead, i like the random unknown ghost battles. |
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watch out for the elder geist. |
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yes i will rue the day we cross paths |
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Beware cuntychuck he has an insufferable twat pseudo punch attack |
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i think i will go vent off a bit w some halo or maybe a movie |
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Halo? You have a wife you fool (unless it's halo 3 cos the guns are so perfectly rendered n'all) |
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yea its 3. my wife is asleep. |
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yep me too, im going to liberty city. i think we ran out of things to say :) |
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Happy shoot'n. |
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me too maybe, i was gonna goto Lardossia or The Other People PLace and drift into sleep, but there's work for Niko to be "doink" (Russian slang for doing) |
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You did but not me cos I AM MORPHEUS. |
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Don't tell me you cheap buncha tarts are going to leave me and cuddle up with youre next gen gaming? I have an xbox :( Stay with me: You know, i think scientology is alright and that your rubbish on existence is all crap, please discuss |
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hahah i'd rather discuss the abnormality of tom cruise's personal stabiltiy, but Niko is cooler, sorry Ampi, i bid you adieu |
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NOOOO. Leaving me now makes you all philosophy pussies! You can't leave! |
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you should just make some more fat beats for us to be jealous of! WITH your Xbox to boot! |
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ok well, cx you probably don't want to read most of that. seriously though, i relate to what you were saying, and if you know how i believe then you know i believe the wolf is actually real. it might mean something similar to you or completely different I don't know, but to me the whole people turning into the wolf thing is a sign of the wolf coming to you through people. i would say just give a good hard look at all the things in your life maybe there is something bad for you going on, whatever that may be. |
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I'm not sure of the wolf. It sounds like it means something specific. Beware 'the teeth' however...... (this is my demon, first personified in a dream. It just IS teeth. I have heard of a few cases of teeth dreams and they mean bad things). All can be overcome if you don't let your own 'TEETH' trick you into thinking they are your friend. This means realising your anxieties and defeating them! You can do that *presses play on self motivational montage music tape* |
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lol in fact i did read the entire thread. and what im most compelled to do is reply to the buddhism post by rockenjohnny or whatever. from what people tell me about it, buddhism seems like a lie to me. i believe that there wouldn't be consciousness without the accumulated experience of stimuli, and memories, and that there is no difference between the external world, and the consciousness. in other words one can never get rid of any ego, because any moment you perceive the world, you automatically create an ego. this is because of a function in the brain, where if i perceive a bottle of coke, i KNOW im not that bottle of coke, hence ME is created. furthermore, even if you can 'tone down' the ego, you're not really toning it down anyway. the ego is an accumulation of all your stimuli and memories, and the current experience you're in, no matter what it may be, so to escape that is death and nothing else. |
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about the wolf; the wolf can be almost anyone. but more than anything it's an uncertainty about the external world, one where many dark/evil possbilities arise. hold up. |
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warning: might leave you more confused than before. |
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interesting program. "dont try to understand it, just marvel at it" lol |
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marlowe was kind enough to let us know about this documentary in his 'bbc - atom' thread. you can find part one and two in google video by searching bbc atom, while part three isn't labeled as such. the one i just linked to summarizes many things from the first 2 parts so you could still watch it on its own. |
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thanks, i watched it, but these scientific concepts are nothing new to me to be honest. i already knew about most of it although the history behind antimatter was new to me. it isa very good docu though. |
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It's funny that the guy talking about atoms is made of atoms and he needs you to observe him to even make him exist. |
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to elaborate on the buddhism point. the basic idea is: can you visualize, conceptualize or grasp in any way your own ego, self and i, without referencing external objects? we know that babies when they are born do not have a sense of depth, and this this depth is created as the brain receives more stimuli. we may be able to say the same thing about the self, in the sense that the ego is developed and evolves based on the external world. when i think about my self, i think about autechre, my face, my arms, my cigarettes, my dreams, people around me that i know or dont know, basically everything around me and inside me in my head. if buddhism is about not seeing the world through an ego, but rather seeing it more for what it 'is', then how can you escape all this and see reality from an objective viewpoint, since a subject can't by definition be objective? wouldn't an objective observer really not observe anything at all, or maybe everything at once? i don't know the details of buddhism, but something is not right the way i see it. |
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I personally feel that buddhism is a perfectionist ideal that just isn't for me. It's the difficulty of 'circumstance and react' that keeps life varied and constant. I want to get angry, feel jealous, feel unhappy. It's the FIGHT against these aspects of yourself that define you, not the mathematical process of deconstructing it. Realising yourself sounds nice and there are aspects of the general philosophy i would like to embrace, but all in all I dispise the meaningless thing i imagine myself becoming. I want there to be bad times and good times, confusion and resolve, the petit little flickers of 'completion' in a life otherwise full of uncertainty of myself. I want to fight these things knowing I could easily lose. These ups and downs define me, 'total completion' is just too total for it to truly be what i have defined as me! Leave me with my sicknesses, leave me to cultivate the goodness in myself. Thats the whole point of my time on this planet. Plus buddhism is for gays n pussies |
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i agree that to pursue the monastic path is an extreme decision. its one which i have considered in the past, but i value interpersonal and intimate relationships so its not something i currently desire. all the same, i think its important and useful to question the role of ego in our daily lives, and to be conscious of the decisions we base upon it. we make egocentric judgements when we are convinced that we know what is best. in reality, one size does not fit all. if we can question the role of ego in our lives, we become more open to the perspectives of others. its very liberating to know and to accept when one is wrong, to be open to the knowledge that one's own truth is not absolute. self awareness derived from a questioning nature amounts to real freedom. |
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I think ego wouldn't be a problem if we could all just relate to it. If we could talk fluently to that part of ourselves we could face our demons with clarity, we could make the right choices. Making the right choices is life, there are so many choices to be made but only a handful are right. So life is a rocky journey of good descision making, the bad ones have repercussions that must be avoided. If humanity was in touch with its ego and confronted itself, forgetting short sighted mindsets, then the right choices would be made. Then the Nazi's just wouldn't have happened, nobody likes Nazi's. |
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What you're saying makes sense, you want to be able to connect with ALL people and emotions and feelings, but the mind works like a box full of wires, if you just want one wire out of the tangled up mess, you're going to HAVE to figure out how to rearrange the OTHER wires as well, Bhuddist monks must take some sort of Vow to do this, but anyone can do this in you're daily life, it's your choice. What i mean with the box of wires analogy is that you can't have feelings without ego, you can't have knowldge/wisdom without experience. As soon as you FEEL something, you will ultimately be preparing yourself to feel the oppostie way about something else, maybe. |
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i do agree, i find it hard to imagine an existence without some kind of egoistic filter. we can see the lengths buddhist monks go to in pursuit of non-self: uniform appearance, shaved heads and simple lifestyle are all undertaken to nullify the ego. i like your box of wires analogy, pulseclock; for me it indicates both the nature of the mind, and also a means to approach to it. opening up the box is an active process of self-awareness. each time one opens up the box they become more familiar with the contents; in time, the connections can be traced, understood, and even rewired. i find it interesting to consider when perception would be like without ego, supposing it is possible. could it allow for a more profound awareness of the nature of things - one without distortion or preconception? its quite a different argument from the idea that perception is conditional on the filter being in place .. |
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I think if we ever do achieve perception with the ego being absent (excluding the fact that this probably DOES happen) It probably won't be remembered, atleast not long-term, It's probably the bits and pieces of "time" throughout life that more or less pass us by. |
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vinyls |
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It's not so much 'understanding' eachother and ourselves in a complete sense, it's evaluating the nature of both things. I feel you are not supposed to untangle your wires cos the massive ball of knots is YOU. Your mission is to personally and slowly untangle small bits of these through events and contemplation and finnish life with a good rating on the happy chart. Your highscore is how content you managed to make yourself before your existence is complete. The only other aspect is that you have a duty (which is a remarkable built in machanism) to help others in their quest to achieve a nice score on 'Gods game of pain and smiles'. All that matters is passing a piece of yourself on and ensuring that it does good somehow. START NOW |
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YOYOYO is happy about vinyls and has passed that joy onto me: he has made a GOOD choice, therefore he has earnt himself a point. Carry on like this and God will favour you |
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the last thing i will say is that what you are saying pertains to YOU, and should be an opinion held by YOU, that's a problem for ME because i choose to see life differently you're basically saying that they way Bhuddist monks live is wrong, or not fufilling, but it's their choice, their life, just like nazis but with the nazis and others, (slave trade, other horrible situations) were a result of powerful authority figures who pressured their views and opinions about life onto others. you can do with whatever you want in your box of wires, but like you said I am in my own box, so therfore, my contents are my responsibility. |
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How can there be a non-self? We are not the same as other animals, they have non-self. Thought has imprisoned the mind, and I'm extremely doubtful whether you can strip away the layers and completely uncondition yourself. Try it sometime, you will fail. You have to assimilate yourself into this culture or you will go mad - this man made machine is too powerful to resist. Is the monk who sits on a mountain top or takes a vow of silence or chastity for 10 years living in truth? How can chastity be truth, it's the complete opposite of what nature designed you for. The Buddhist's suppress reality. If you want to renounce the ego you have to destroy thought outright - if you destroy thought outright you cannot function, you would not even know who or what you are. Buddhism is simply another belief system, it may be more appealing as it is non-violent and accepts scientific thinking. But belief itself is the contaminator, it's that what atrophies the brain. Can we ever live with true intelligence? Collectivity. That means accepting things as they are, without judgment, without outer reform. If intelligent perception can instantly mutate the individual's thinking then wider reform will come naturally. Any attempt to force change creates conflict, and we're back to square one. |
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" Any attempt to force change creates conflict, and we're back to square one. " I agree Now isn't that the theme to almost everybody's life |
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well, studying the mind through meditation is a long-established practise with proven results. people wouldnt do it if it didnt work. its very subjective to state that any process is destined to fail, that assimilation into cultural norms is crucial; or for that matter, what is and isnt natural behavior. furthermore, how could knowledge of the mind be dervied from a suppression of reality? wouldnt an acceptance of all objective and subjective factors be required? theres nothing strictly 'buddhist' about the process. awareness of the self and the transendence of ego differ greatly from the rigours of control and dogma. |
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I think that in no matter what circumstance you are in, the basic functions of your brain works the same. That means, you are still observing from a self, and you are still living a day to day life, even if you are a monk with a shaved head in the mountains. The stuff about losing connection to your self and seeing the world more objectively is a higher emergent level of consciousness, like when monks sit in sanctuaries. The fact that they see it as a contrast to western consumerism doesn't surprise me, but I'm also disappointed that they do. The fact is that a human will always consume, regardless of if it is with money, thought or physical things like gardening. The main function of a human is to consume, anything and everything. And the mere act of shaving your head is a type of consumption, because you're actively doing something based on a belief, you are CONSUMING an impulse to do something. The self is in essence processing a problem that it sees, namely hair in this instance, and then removing it. And I feel this is not very unlike western life of a typical person, because the ideas that emerge on top of the consciousness itself, are all the same, except the symbols and meanings are different. Shaved head, monestary, mountain, meditation, clothing, peace and quiet, are all the exact same thing as walmarts, room with lots of computer games, stress and malls. But you can't escape the true nature of your brains processing of stimuli. So yeah, I believe we have to separate the thought process, from the function of the brain, the way it works so to speak. The symbols we create are all mental constructs, and they are all different, while the underlying functionality of the brain, makes us all the same. In that sense nothing really matters, and it doesn't, but the point is to drop the values we create, and rather see it more objectively. |
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i agree entirely that environments, cultural norms and symbols exact partial influences upon psychological development. that is not to discount their relevance. a child raised without nurturing stimuli suffer dramatically impaired development. research has found that these shortcomings become increasingly difficult to overcome once the brain begins to mature. on a less tangible level, i have a slightly different take on perception to you. you describe perception as having its origin in the self. my understanding is that perception occurs naturally, and is filtered by the self. for me, the development of the mind during childhood, as i have described, reinforces this idea. children who are nurtured or neglected perceive the behavior of others differently, and respond accordingly. the perception was there to begin with; it is tempered by the sense of self, which itself is conditioned by the environment in which it resides. |
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I would agree almost entirely. It's only your cultural upbringing that dictates where you direct your impulses. But I'm not sure you can separate the thought processes. As Krishnamurti said, the observer is the observed. How can thought separate from thought and examine it? This is an illusion. I think we're banging our heads against a brick wall if we think this is achievable. |
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from experience, i must say that its entirely possible to objectively observe thought. during meditation, one exercises detachment from physical sensations and mental contents. again, this is an act of 'letting things be', of not engaging them; it is unlike rejecting or blocking out stimuli. as such, during meditation the stream of consciousness becomes apparent. thoughts stream by like passing traffic. we have the choice to engage with individual thoughts, to travel off on a tangent. alternatively, one can remain still and watch things pass by. it takes practise, but its definitely possible. i find it amazing to see how much 'stuff' is in there. im actually planning to do a visual study of stream of consciousness. i find that certain artists have explored this, i just hadnt looked at it that way before. certainly, there are literary examples: kerouac springs immediately to mind. |
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i was looking at brett whiteleys art recently. the vast, sprawling panels of 'alchemy' really do reflect an interrelated stream of consciousness. its such a good representation of how the mind works. |
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Found this quote of Sun Ra from a Drexciya fan-site, “Man has to rise above himself...transcend himself. Because the way he is, he can only follow reproductions of idea’s, because he’s just a reproduction himself. He did not come from the creative system, he came from the reproductive system. But if he evolutes himself, he will come up from the creative system. What I’m determined to do is to cause man to create himself by simply rising up out of the reproductive system into the creative system . Darwin didn’t have the complete picture. I’ve been talking about evolution too but I’ve spelt it e-v-e-r.” |
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Again, your thoughts are not separate from you. You talk as though there is a separate entity in you observing the thought. It is a bit like the dog looking in the river and thinking it's looking at another dog. Human think they are mentally sophisticated enough to achieve it, and that's the illusion. Besides, thought is completely contaminated by your culture, so even if thought could examine itself it would be the contaminated looking at the contaminated, and would achieve nothing. The search to self-discovery only ends when you realise that there is nothing to discover. |
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He's contradicting himself. He says that "man can only follow a reproduction of ideas" - quite right. Then he says man can evolve to become creative, how can he possible do that when his entire knowledge base consists of second hand information? It's a nonsense. Besides, what is the creative system he is talking about, there is no creative system in humanity, as every human is merely a reproduction of ideas. |
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no, i wouldnt say that thought is separate from the mind. they are an indispensable part, but nonetheless, not representative of the entire mind. thoughts arise from the mind; the mind is not a separate 'entity' at all. sincerely, if the mind stopped at thought alone then we would not be able to achieve an awareness of the stream of consciousness. that, of course, is not the case! i would also hesitate to say that the mind is completely contaminated by culture. cultural norms are undoubtedly a major influence in cognitive development, but there is more to the world, more to experience, than norms alone. |
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The mind is the container of thought. If the mind stops, all thought stops. I would have to disagree though, the mind is completely contaminated by culture, I am not talking merely about the traditions of culture, but everything you think and know has been imposed on you. It's inevitable. Every scrap of information is passed on to you, from birth and that pool of information is entirely second hand knowledge. Then from that contaminated pool you make what you think are you own decisions, but they are inescapably influenced by the conditioning of others. You build a massive library of contaminated knowledge, full of prejudices, fears, truths and untruths. There is no clear thinking there at all. And from that base thought is supposed to examine thought and clear it up? Impossible. |
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i agree that we are conditioned by cultural norms. but we should also accomodate direct experiences. these include all all kinds of somatic responses, an even the experience of thought itself. its certainly true that thought is conditioned by cultural norms. accordingly, the mind's experience of reality is conditioned by thought. but look at it the other way around: consider also the mind's experience of thought itself, as i have described in my last few posts. that is the means by which to examine thought objectively and to observe all of the external influences as they are, for what they are. from experience, ill say that its absolutely possible. |
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