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raimons, Sure we're friends - me and the rest of the world. |
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you mean, you and the rest of the world, excluding anyone NOT a wormhole? |
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mylittlesister, I was just kidding. I didn't really know you lived in one. |
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promo, i enjoy seeing you address some of the arguments against pure capitolism rather than make fun of people. you're trying to make it like people are stupid for there opinions rather than addressing the issues in a calm manner. it's really annoying and only turning this into a school yard vocal battle. |
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If Capitalism is so great, why has most of the world become fucked-up by it? Why is that there is more than enough food to feed the world, yet millions die of starvation? Why is it that there is enough wealth in the world to make us all comfortable, yet millions live and die in poverty? Why is it that the USA, the paradigm of Capitalism, has one of the worst Education systems in the 'Civilised' World? Why is that the USA, symbol of wealth and money-grabbing, still has ghettoes? Why is it that Cuba, symbol of the 'evil' communist, has a better education system and a better health system than America, and is only suffering because of American Embargoes and sanctions (and other countries who America has bullied or given a Hobson Choice to)? Oh of course, it's the dumb third-world states who are to blame - they are too simple to govern themselves, so the Capitalists and their cohorts have to worm their way in and take control, plundering natural resources, grossly underpaying the indigent workers &tc. Money (and also natural resources) is not an infinite commodity - therefore, when you 'make' money, you are taking it away from another (either directly or indirectly) The will of money is to circulate, not be hoarded up. If money were allowed to flow then there would be less poverty and starvation in the world. THAT is why capitalism stinks... it's about greed and treachery. Now here we can diverge -- either we say 01) well, that's human nature, or we can say 02) well, that's not human nature. I tend to lean towards the latter - after all, it's always the minority of humans who hold the majority of the wealth and the power - it's their sociopathic determination that gets them there - leaving the majority in physical and spiritual bondage: hoodwinking through religion, controlling through taxes, advertising, mind-control techniques, land-ownership, slavery &tc - so it would be crass to just say "well it's the majority's fault they're being fucked over." It's not - they've been subjugated t |
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I tend to lean towards the latter - after all, it's always the minority of humans who hold the majority of the wealth and the power - it's their sociopathic determination that gets them there - leaving the majority in physical and spiritual bondage: hoodwinking through religion, controlling through taxes, advertising, mind-control techniques, land-ownership, slavery &tc - so it would be crass to just say "well it's the majority's fault they're being fucked over." It's not - they've been subjugated to systematic and callous manipulation and constriction. The main hope that I can see is, somehow, the majority rise up together. Before, this would not be so likely, and indeed we've been taught to be pessimistic about it - but what with the Internet and faster communication, there has been an increase in information being passed to the majority and a steady growth in dissatisfaction and rebellious mutterings from all sections of society--I believe in hope. |
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human nature or not, we've evolved the abilitiy to focus our consciousness more extremely than any other species and it's our responsibility (or rather, the responsibility is there to accept, if your up to it and if you care) to use this evolved ability of ours to remember that despite our seeming physical autonomy, we are one system, and in the long run "selfishness" (which is merely a misunderstanding of self identity) is not going to benefit anyone. regarding the issues you brought up at the beginning of your post, if you go back through this post they have been brought up in less clear terms, and promo and those all gung-ho for capitolism simply don't answer. it's called turning ones head the way. willful ignorance. settling for less than total ideal harmony is as good as suicide. it's one thing to be grateful for what we have, it's a whole other thing to pretend that we don't have vast improvements to make. that's sad. settle for the current system?! |
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A military industrial illusion of democracy |
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I'll pinch you guys if you ask me. |
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I've started thinking about capitalism being used to manipulate and cultivate people's ANIMAL side, leading to a neglect of the SPIRITUAL side, which is where I believe the next stage of evolution will occur. So, by keeping our animal sides dominant, we as a people are easier to control (as animals are). Any thoughts on this burgeoning theory (which is just a thought, not a set-in-stone thing). |
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I hate capitalism! Here in Belgium you are a winner when you have a lot of money. |
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Capitalism is the extraordinary beleif that the nastiest of men with the nastiest of motives will somehow work for the benefit of all. - Britney Spears |
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jesus christ, it's about time somebody with some brains explained this! |
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did britney spears actually say that?? |
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hehe. nah, she didn't but I couldn't remember who to attribute it to. Nice quote though ; ) |
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I nearly fainted when I saw HER name attached! :D |
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No need to explain really. 'Bout sums it up. |
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See what happens when commies get in power? First it's links on internet sites not working... Next thing you know computer systems the world over are failing and before long we're back to the dark ages ;) Oh and in response to Jupitah's question: In a perfect world, everyone would have the same quality of upbringing, opportunities, etc. until we take children away from their parents and raise them in governement run "schools" that won't happen... If that did happen no one would be able to say, "Oh I had a hard childhood". In the meantime, we have to accept that some people have a harder time, in the words of Coolio, "Some of us have to run a little harder, because we had a later start". Now, not talking about 3rd world countries, etc. but in the UK and US anyone can become moderately wealthy through hard work, no matter what their upbringing. The fact you have millionaires who come from impoverished backgrounds and rich kid "fuck ups" who wind up junkies or in crap jobs is proof that being borrn with an "advantage" is just that. It is not the be all and end all of how you turn out. To think so is fatalistic and fatilism is for the weak. It is that attitude that breeds the sort of apathy that keeps people poor. |
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You can either use capitalism or be used by capitalism. Words of wisdom for today. |
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i'm not a communist. and i think pure capitolism is as absurd as pure communism. why do you think the majority of the world growing up in a shit conditions is better than children being sent to gov't "schools"? and if you are not in favor of the situations of third world countries then you either cannot be in support of pure capitolism or you don't understand the implications. do you not understand? |
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paul did you read my 2 anti-capitalism essays? if so, that makes one of us... i still need to re-read them cos i can't remember what i say in them |
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I haven't read them yet, because you were going to check them and stuff - I didn't like to until you'd Oked them :) |
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