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"Even still, given his history and lifestyle since a child, finding out he actually was having sex with children, he would just be another adult who was screwed up way before he ever was tempted to touch a kid." this isnt a good thing. its not ok to say this. stop letting him play the victim. cant brush it off like that |
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im not quite sure what i mean but im right |
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hah i bet you are, you're getting back into your underdog position, where you are to "prove everyone wrong." Haha you act like Americans came up out of the ocean and had a plan of doom for the world, they were ex-Brits duh, UH OH people of YOUR descent also! Just because they did something fucked up doesn't make me the same as them. It makes me genetically similar and in my opinion a victim of circumstance, like everyone else who was fucked over in life. |
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The lie of perfection is told by the perfectionist. Why would you believe in perfection in the first place? Perfection is antihuman. |
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the saddest thing is i'm sure you fancy yourself as progressive and have no idea how much of a fascist you really are |
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dude if i was in the room of the "ACT THAT TOOK PLACE" as you see it, trust me i would have got fired up and taken michael's face and made him eat his toilet. But unfortunately i can't know that for sure. Sorry for being realistic once again. |
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Pulseclock! What the hell do you mean? |
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Oh sorry, American expression. I mean i would physically abuse Mikey by grabbing him by his head and repeatedly slam it into his toilet, (assuming i ever were to goto his house at a time when he'd be molesting a kid) I probably wouldn't be that violent, i would actually just yell very loudly , "HEY! MOTHERFUCKER, WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON!" and then that would scare him enough, and then i'd call the cops. This is all theoretical too. |
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By the way i'm at my mom's place and she has been playing the hits of M.J. since about 2 p.m. A nice touch to this day of messageboard bickering. |
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Pulseclock! While "defending" Jackson, do you feel a compensatory need to demonstrate pedophiliac hatred? I think it's sadly revealing that Pulseclock/most of us in situ would punish/kill the molestor rather than attend, help the child. You don't argue that way in case of any other, even serious crime, do you? Sex engages. |
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but you're so left and libetarian (according to that internet test) everyone is more fascist than you anyway i like ampi max but i think mj is innocent, though maybe he took a shower with the kids. this whole pedophilia hunt thing in our society has gone wrong anyway and serves as a 'nice' outlet for hatred of people, because it's the worst thing they can think of etc. |
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hm, maybe society was fascist towards mj. they wouldn't let him be and beat him down hard |
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MASUGNEN! I'm sorry i didn't mean to seem like i would actually do that, it was more of a message for AMPI that hopefully got through, to let him know that it's not like i dismiss the act, like i think it's nothing. Any wrongdoing, pedos, rapists, murderers is a form retaliation from something else, it is to anesticize an injury or pain caused before. Like i said i'm not that violent, hopefully, I mean i think seeing that take place in reality would make me scared/anxious and i would probably lapse in judgement before knowing the right thing to do at that very moment. I'm sure i would try to diffuse the situation and make sure the kids is separated from the adult. Theoritcal situations blahhhhhhhhhhhhh |
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even if you forget about the death-penalty-is-alright-sometimes (for crimes towards it's-his-choice-to-be-a-pedo-his-environment-has-nothing-to children) and the -do-with-it things do you think it's okay to deny someone's proven innocence on totally baseless claims and sick fantasies, posturing as some kind of expert on pedophilia, unquestionable moral authority, judge, jury, righter of wrongs? it's fine to doubt, but what's happening here is disgusting |
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i don't know. maybe ampi just liked having a discussion, and maybe it's how he really felt. mj wasn't proven innocent though, he bought off one asshole family. i have forgiven him now for that. for many it's still proof he did it |
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many would happily execute just suspects of pedophilia. ampi is coping with his disgust of someone he thinks to be a pedophile with more grace |
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do you mean we're talking specifically about that case because one might be on ampi's mind |
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"Adult materials found at Neverland included over 70 magazines of heterosexual porn, including publications dedicated to mature and overweight women." MASUGNEN! |
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Just because a court finds a person not guilty doesn't mean that person is really innocent (and vice versa). This isn't a claim that Michael was a paedo, but rather that the people championing him just because he was found not guilty should tread carefully. Remember, he had millions of dollars with which to fund his defense in court and his PR. No amount of evidence presented in court ever reflects 100% of the life of the defendant. He lived in a large estate with many, many closed doors. I like to think that he wasn't a paedo, but I am not bold enough to claim that I can say with certainty that he wasn't one simply based on the outcome of a trial in a very flawed court system. |
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it'd be nice if you didn't link to a website with information that is biased. this one is more credible |
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lol wot are you talking about. relax it wasnt supposed to be personal. shit i wasn't even talking at you. im right tho i swear |
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you treating everyone else childishly only makes your opinions seem childish. If you are right, maybe you can host a celebration party on how you were right all along, maybe you can get one of those special little party cakes made that have a desgin that relates to what your celebrating. |
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ok woteva man peece |
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like this post. and i didnt follow the 2005. 1993 was more interesting i dunno. i didnt intend being completely stubborn about my judgement on mj, but i've gotten more so as the thread developed. this has become a rich debate im enjoying this. anyway i still, despite how damning ive been, have got my doubts. but its not like ppl havnt been biased. everyone has given him the benefit of the doubt, prefering to dismiss all accusations as media crap. its not impossible to believe that michael wasnt fishy as fuck, but you have to admit sometimes it hard to convince yourself. yo im not on a pedo witch hunt. that isnt the do all and end all of what im trying to discover in michael. he is a profound character and inside his story lies some kind of understanding for me. the peadophilia is important in this |
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yes peash. im just not getting my point accross so i get on my high horse instead. i dont mean to get arrogant. |
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that is the smarmiest wiki link evar. nobhed |
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you just make every argument seem not important. I don't mean life-or-death important, but for the sake of having a logical conversation you should try and explain why you think the way you do so that way we can see why. Instead of expecting evryone else jus te b all gud mate. but your post to zephyr twin is revealing of yourself. I think you just think i'm like trying to side with your enemy barcode. so that's why you dismiss everything i say for the most part. AAnd its annoying to to talk to someone's penis. |
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WTF. that dosnt make any sense to me. none of it 1. i did explain. i have explained. why was no one listening 2, i like zephyrs post cos in it he dosnt call me stupid or suggest ive been reading too much mirror, and is a fair enough point "the people championing him just because he was found not guilty should tread carefully." i agree. so i said i liked that post. cool 3. i didnt see you siding with barcode. forget him hes a cockwipe 4. i didnt ignore what you said. i answered a lot of it quite straight forwardly. i just didnt agree at all. some of the posts almost seemed as if you were listening straight thru stuff id said earlier. you have done that havnt you. 5. i thought i was being quite nice when i basically apologised for how i seemed to come accross on this. i thought i explained. again youre not listening or was just confused i dont get it either |
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this seems to be getting ppl really hot n bothered. |
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no you're right, my bad. |
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no right now my feet are at the best cold temperature. I love it when that happens, i finally get to forget about my hot feet after a long work day...so u h Ampi, wanna fondle? |
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is what it feels like when doves cry *passes the spilff |
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HYEEE...Hyeuuoahhhhhhahhhh *synth melody* |
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I think you're giving yourself far too much credit there ampi. Also you'd find people a lot more willing to listen without your 'I'm so right' attitude. It makes any even slightly relevant points redundant in others eyes as you come across as a prick who thinks he has some gleaming insight in to things others can't begin to understand (which you don't). This row should have ended two pages ago when everyone should have realised that they're all wittering on about mindless speculation about a guy they've never met and making accusations which will most likely never be proven one way or the other. Really, who gives a fuck? I'd also like to add that, in my opinion, advocation of the death penalty in any circumstances is fucking retarded, regardless of the crime. Feel free to call me a liberal puff or whatever. |
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shit! i wasnt expecting this. look. i didnt start off arrogant. i was told over and over that i needed to go away and do more thinking and that i really shouldnt be sucked in by media spin blah blah. it was insulting. also no one has been listening at all. honestly ive done a lot of thinking about this. it is really fucking interesting, its more relevant than '911 was an inside job' or 'what is existence made of'. ive posted a lot explaining why, but i just keep getting written off as you are doing now. i like you i wasnt expecting the venom on this. btw no one has debated my "advocation of the death penalty" which was one post you lot have obviously gotten really stuffy about (without bringing it to my attention, which is impolite i guess). i again could debate that all day long. i guess liberal puff is spot on cos all liberal puffs get on a super self righteous one over this. it was a small post and look at the reactions. tbh i dont think its very forward thinking to write it off as retarded. you lot make out like you really understand what it is to be open minded and fair. no. i have known and met people that deserve to die. what makes wanting them trapped in prison hell so much more enlightened. ive always thought it more sadistic than a more dignified end to a life. fuck reforming them, the victims never get a chance to reform after a shitstorm strikes there life for no good reason. so i guess you think i want everyone who steals a loaf of bread be chopped up? please just talk if you want to talk. i have been on the defense, its you 'liberal puffs' that have been witch burning. shit |
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this was supposed to be about michael. you have all just shutdown the debate like your terrified of it, like touching it makes you a daily mail pleb. thnx to those who debated this a little. |
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your all saying the same thing all over innit |
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What makes you think we're all okay with prison? |
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"you come across as a prick who thinks he has some gleaming insight..." no barcode did that, does it all the time. i was just enthusiastic, then later became defensive the more ppl said things like this: "...in to things others can't begin to understand (which you don't)." have you watched the moonwalker clips i linked. have you thought about this at all. i do know what im talking about here. but i know, I KNOW, that you havent even considered my points. you have jumped to conclusions on me. you combining this criticism of me with 'you death penalty thug' further confirms that. you have not considered my point, have dismissed it as bollox, then have told me what a small narrow twat i must be for even imagining. that is exactly why im on the defense. NO ONE WAS LISTENING cos if you were you'd at least say "well thats not a bad point, even if im not sure youre right at all", because the point is not just crap. i cant believe you ppl. what happened here. its like arguing with the die hard mj fans, youre all so venomous about this. (again i do recognise those who werent being like this) |
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just talk now? well i dunno its prison or death no? maybe not. i saw this doc on reforming sex offenders with castration. it worked. one was talking about how he just didnt need that any more, how he cant see how he could have thought like that. reform isnt something im strongly against, but im vengeful. i have this kind of samurai attitude to evil, how those who've crossed certain sacred lines cannot come back out of principle. its more of a philosophy than anything id like to see as part of the justice system. i dont really want hangings. ive always understood the ugliness of death penalty, and understand why ppl wanted it changed long ago. it feels bad for good reasons. yo but there are some ppl, some fucking ppl that are so low. they are a such a sneering swaggering affront to all those who dedicated there whole lives to making things better. i hate them and dont want them to have a second chance. |
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No venom from me, I was merely trying to help explain all the animosity you're receiving. I don't want to get in to the whole death penalty thing, I just mentioned my stance as an insight in to which way my bread is buttered. In all honesty I've enjoyed your stance ampi and respect you sticking to your guns. My thoughts no Jacksons personal life are null. I don't know the guy. |
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You need to relax. It's the internet. |
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"yo but there are some ppl, some fucking ppl that are so low. they are a such a sneering swaggering affront to all those who dedicated there whole lives to making things better. i hate them and dont want them to have a second chance." This is where you're fucking up. You never ask yourself "why"? Why is paedo a paedo, a serial killer a serial killer. You seem to think their inherently evil. First, there's no such thing as evil or good - it's a figment of the imagination, applied within the context of what a society deems morally acceptable. Yet it's that very society, that framework, that is corrupted and creates the so called "evil" man. You create it, hate it, then kill it. All the while creating more and more "evil". This is because you as an individual are insensitive and corrupt. Taking Michael Jackson as a case study to justify "evilness" is so profoundly stupid on every level, if only because more than anyone in the whole wide world, it's so painfully easy to see how was abused and manufactured to become the freak he was; sexually, physically and mentally. |
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alright barcode. if you still insist on underestimating me then ill explain: 1. i ask myself 'why' all the time. ive thought about his past, and his feelings. i also went thru this stage of concentrating on his background as a means to understand/sympathise with him. around the time of the court case i was very much defending him in conversations. i believed then that perhaps he had been intimate with children, but its obviously down to tragic freudian complexities from a bad childhood. i felt sorry for him. my friend's dad raped him when he was 5 maybe 6. i discussed a lot of this michael stuff with him over the years. he said to me "dont look for reasons when it comes to peados cos its like another world. they arent good at all, the past dosn't matter" like that but in more words. 2. there is such thing as good and evil. its definition is hazey but its there. its evil to hurt an innocent, its evil to break a good thing. be honest here; tell me that you dont feel it when you see it. good/bad is not a social illusion, its an instinct. its the difference between love and pain. i define good and evil this way: a human has one existence and is compelled by his own emotions to feel happy, that is our incentive. so socially we cooperate to construct a more comfortable existence (ideally). everything that makes that society better and 'happier' is a good thing. this is because this way there is less pain and more happiness. evil is the deconstruction of good things and/or contribution of pain to a single person or a society. you measure the amount of goodness lost - the amount of pain inflicted (also considering how much that person/society deserved that pain) and there is your measure of 'evil'. evil is malicious intent, sadism, extortion... im sure youre not convinced. you never are. ill continue |
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last point here barcode. you said: "You create it, hate it, then kill it. All the while creating more and more "evil"." i didnt create it. the american dream did, which is something im obviously never going to get around to explaining as we're still at this point. you can hate me for whatever stiff reason youve got in mind just stop suggesting i hadnt considered all of these mind numbingly standard ideas. "it's so painfully easy to see how was abused and manufactured to become the freak he was; sexually, physically and mentally." like i said before yes yes yes. i get it. but where do you get these ideas of abuse? dont get me wrong, i believe he suffered enough simply having to endure the life of a child star. but arent ideas of 'michael the abuse victim' straight from the media/his own representation of himself. its not that i think its all lies but i believe it was you who criticised how i was just an ignorant fool being sold ideas of michael by the evil media/corrupt social opinion. its you who's harping on about a stories you have no proof of. my judgements of michael are less prejudice than yours cos ive slowly and carefully attempted to discover the true michael thru his art. this of course isnt concrete is it, but its a lot better than yours. you got it from tv and stories that people like uri geller told us. maybe you even found some unquestionably solid testimony of michaels life, but youre still jumping to all kinds of half baked conclusions. i wouldnt have criticised only youve been making out that youre the one with some higher perspective on this. i dont think you know what youre talking about at all. god you are that guy; i said 'jackson probably fucked kids!" you think sun reader. its blatant |
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i dont think we're getting anywhere ima shut up. |
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i think you should substitute good and evil for peace and harm, really the words don't matter, like you said it's the reaction to events that decide the feeling or outcome |
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or exchange the words good and evil for peacful and disturbing |
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all barcode converts must be tattooed with a barcode that brings up the dog & dildo pic on screen when scanned. |
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