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         |  hobbes
             from age on 2006-07-10 16:41 [#01935422] Points: 8168 Status: Lurker | Followup to Dozer: #01935417
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 | well said.  people are acting so preciously about this whole incident... as if he had to be some sort of superhuman
 devoid of feelings and emotions.
 
 i love how in the UK the press have been really hard on
 him, saying it's mainly what he will now be remembered for
 and it's soooo bad blah bollocks blah woo hah cantona.
 
 
 
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         |  obara
             from Utrecht on 2006-07-10 17:17 [#01935430] Points: 19430 Status: Regular | Followup to yann_g: #01935328
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         |  qrter
             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-07-10 17:27 [#01935431] Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to hobbes: #01935422
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 | that's the choice we have now, is it? 
 either be a "some sort of superhuman devoid of feelings and
 emotions" or kick the shit out of anyone who says something
 that might hurt us?
 
 
 
 
 oh as if I even care one shit about football, let alone
 footballers. I'll get me coat.
 
 
 
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         |  yann_g
             from now on 2006-07-10 17:46 [#01935435] Points: 3772 Status: Lurker | Followup to jonesy: #01935415
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 | yes, the use of "but" made the sentence meaningless. 
 
 
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         |  yann_g
             from now on 2006-07-10 17:47 [#01935436] Points: 3772 Status: Lurker | Followup to Dozer: #01935417
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         |  hobbes
             from age on 2006-07-10 20:58 [#01935487] Points: 8168 Status: Lurker | Followup to qrter: #01935431
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 | lol 
 not AT ALL what i meant but you can interpret my words that
 way if you want to, or if it made you feel all nice inside
 to think i would mean such a thing...
 
 the myth of the hero is a complex one, basically, that's
 all (and i'm  not calling him the hero here). and yeah
 football football fine you don't care about it, but you
 can't neglect the huge deal this sport has become (amongst
 others).
 
 anyway i don't even care that much, i just find it
 hilarious how many people are so quick to judge the guy,
 it's frankly hilarious.
 
 btw it's not the fact he hit someone i want to stress
 about, but the fact he has flaws and it's fucking normal. it
 seems like none of you have ever flipped out before.. and
 you may think he should behave as it's the world cup finals
 but then don't you reckon it might also must be very
 difficult to cope with...
 
 the ambiguity is something i like in "heroes" , anti-heroes
 or what have you .
 
 bah i dunno
 
 i can hear people already "but it's not normal to headbutt
 someone, it's bad for the kids, he ruined his life etc..."
 
 
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         |  Ophecks
             from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2006-07-10 21:06 [#01935489] Points: 19190 Status: Moderator | Show recordbag
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 | Similarly, when Ron Artest went into the crowd to punch a guy that dumped a beer on him, I was surprised at just how
 big a villain he was portrayed as. Dumb thing to do, but...
 
 Athletes just doing dumb things, that's all. They're spoiled
 and not smart, but they're probably pretty OK when you're
 not dumping beer on them or using racial slurs on them (or
 whatever the Italian guy did).
 
 
 
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         |  hobbes
             from age on 2006-07-10 21:11 [#01935490] Points: 8168 Status: Lurker | Followup to Ophecks: #01935489
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 | yeah let's categorize! so athletes are a different species are they?
 plonker
 
 i guess you're all saints, yet not very understanding
 ones.
 
 
 
 
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             from age on 2006-07-10 21:13 [#01935492] Points: 8168 Status: Lurker | Followup to Ophecks: #01935489
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 | oh wait, i misread bits in my haste of fury  :) 
 
 
 
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         |  Ophecks
             from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2006-07-10 21:21 [#01935495] Points: 19190 Status: Moderator | Show recordbag
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 | I didn't mean to single out athletes there. That was my bitterness over not making millions taking over (the
 ''spoiled'' quip). In fact the reason I was so surprised he
 was crucified for it was because I was thinking I would have
 done the same thing if I was in his shoes. Something stupid.
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         |  hobbes
             from age on 2006-07-10 21:33 [#01935496] Points: 8168 Status: Lurker | Followup to Ophecks: #01935495
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 | maybe had Zidane have been born and raised in Canada he would have made a pretty good hockey player.
 
 
 
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             from age on 2006-07-10 21:36 [#01935497] Points: 8168 Status: Lurker | Followup to hobbes: #01935496
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         |  WooferAttack
             from Milano (Italy) on 2006-07-11 03:03 [#01935551] Points: 12920 Status: Lurker | Followup to redrum: #01935214
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 | please, say to your nice french housemate that we are "dirty fucking italians" but we also are WORLD CHAMPIONS.
 
 "smile, you are NOT on candid camera"
 
 
 
 
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             from Milano (Italy) on 2006-07-11 03:10 [#01935553] Points: 12920 Status: Lurker | Followup to tolstoyed: #01935220
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 | "there are quite a few italians that are quite dicks. there 
 are also some very nice ones, but they can be real assholes
 
 sometime"
 
 italians, germans, slovenians,... i think humans are all the
 same, so you should change the text above:
 
 "there are quite a few PERSONS that are quite dicks. there
 are also some very nice ones, but they can be real assholes
 
 sometime"
 
 Klemen Lavric (Slovenia)
 
 
 
 
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             from Milano (Italy) on 2006-07-11 03:14 [#01935554] Points: 12920 Status: Lurker
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 | THE ARE SOME IDIOTS IN ALL COUNTRIES... and these are not just my words... as you can verify here
 
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         |  tridenti
             from Milano (Italy) on 2006-07-11 04:33 [#01935590] Points: 14653 Status: Lurker
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         |  Aesthetics
             from the IDM Kiosk on 2006-07-11 04:46 [#01935595] Points: 6796 Status: Lurker | Followup to tridenti: #01935590
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 | It started out nice but the reference towards France at the end is pure weakness.
 
 
 
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             from Milano (Italy) on 2006-07-11 04:52 [#01935597] Points: 14653 Status: Lurker | Followup to Aesthetics: #01935595
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         |  tolstoyed
             from the ocean on 2006-07-11 05:26 [#01935621] Points: 50073 Status: Moderator | Followup to WooferAttack: #01935553
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 | i was talking about football players there. and surely every national team has their pricks. slovenia sure does. zahovic
 iz the biggest idiot of them all. but the thing with italy
 is that they spoil football players the most so they get a
 little unreal and think they can do just about anything.
 that is one of the reasons why i appreciate delpiero so
 much. he is surely one of the biggest italian stars and yet
 he seems like a very down to earth guy. same goes for
 gattuso. all he cares about seems to be football and i
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             from Milano (Italy) on 2006-07-11 06:06 [#01935662] Points: 12920 Status: Lurker | Followup to tolstoyed: #01935621
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 | Alessandro DelPiero is also my fav player inside and outside the field, he's a great champion.
 I never saw DelPiero give headbutts during his long career
 and i hope he will never will do it.
 
 
 
 
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         |  tolstoyed
             from the ocean on 2006-07-11 06:11 [#01935665] Points: 50073 Status: Moderator | Followup to WooferAttack: #01935662
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 | people don't often call him a terrorist do they? :) 
 if zidane wasn't provoked i doubt he would do that you know.
 
 
 
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         |  yann_g
             from now on 2006-07-11 07:24 [#01935699] Points: 3772 Status: Lurker | Followup to tolstoyed: #01935665
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 | and zidane is not the kind to provoke. 
 
 
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         |  hobbes
             from age on 2006-07-11 08:57 [#01935737] Points: 8168 Status: Lurker | Followup to yann_g: #01935699
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 | yeah he even smiled at him after the shirt holding bit just before, and even just then you can see matt saying something
 and zidane walks off with his face not so smiley anymore...
 then the guy opens his shit hole yet again...  lucky this
 was on a pitch and that it was zidane i say.
 
 zidane got sent off and might get more disciplinary shit
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         |  WooferAttack
             from Milano (Italy) on 2006-07-11 09:07 [#01935739] Points: 12920 Status: Lurker
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 | zidane Saint, materazzi devil 
 i think it was just a football match with bad words and
 insults from materazzi (troll behaviour) and a bad reaction
 of zizou (not an good thing). tons of football matches are
 full of this kind of provocation, fortunately there are not
 headbutts so often.
 
 the difference is that materazzi is a common defensor, who a
 bad temper and he's not very intelligent, while zizou is a
 celebratd champion, who is playing the grandfinal and his
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         |  r40f
             from qrters tea party on 2006-07-11 09:10 [#01935746] Points: 14210 Status: Regular | Followup to WooferAttack: #01935662
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 | i never thought i'd say this, but you are about a hundred times more annoying than tridenti at the moment.
 
 i wish you'd take your armchair-jock bullshit and fuck off.
 take it to worldcup-masturbation.com/mb, you smug moron.
 
 "smile, you are NOT on candid camera"
 retard.
 
 
 
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         |  tolstoyed
             from the ocean on 2006-07-11 09:14 [#01935750] Points: 50073 Status: Moderator | Followup to WooferAttack: #01935739
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 | "who is playing the grandfinal and his last match of career. "
 
 why does that mater? of someone  would insult your mother
 would you first think what match you're playing and how many
 people are watching and then react?
 
 
 
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         |  Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2006-07-11 09:19 [#01935753] Points: 14042 Status: Lurker
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 | I just don't get why people get so upset if someone insults their mother. Obviously whatever they say, is just said to
 piss you off. If they call your mother a whore, obviously
 it's not true. You know this. Why get all bothered? If
 someone called my mother a whore, I'd just be like, um,
 whatever. Getting pissed, is doing exactly what the person
 who said it was trying to achieve.
 
 And getting violent about it is even worse. Does hitting
 someone make what they said invalid?  Its just words. They
 are as insulting as you let them be.
 
 Given, it could be different if your mother is in the
 hospital etc... but Im talking in general. Theres also a
 thread on watmm about this, and people say that insulting
 someones mother is reason enough to respond. It just seems
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         |  WooferAttack
             from Milano (Italy) on 2006-07-11 09:20 [#01935754] Points: 12920 Status: Lurker | Followup to r40f: #01935746
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 | clap, clap, clap... standing ovation... a long applause to r40f aka "THE BRAIN"
 
 
 
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         |  tolstoyed
             from the ocean on 2006-07-11 09:24 [#01935756] Points: 50073 Status: Moderator | Followup to Zeus: #01935753
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 | maybe your mom didn't breast feed you..makes all the difference.
 
 
 
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         |  tridenti
             from Milano (Italy) on 2006-07-11 09:25 [#01935757] Points: 14653 Status: Lurker | Followup to Zeus: #01935753
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 | I agree with you. 
 That used to happen to me a couple of times and I just
 ingored the person who gave me the insult. I didn't want to
 react not because I'm a looser but because I was aware of
 this:
 
 "Does hitting someone make what they said invalid? Its
 just words. They are as insulting as you let them be."
 
 Anyway we still are not sure on what Materazzi said.
 
 
 
 
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         |  tolstoyed
             from the ocean on 2006-07-11 09:27 [#01935760] Points: 50073 Status: Moderator
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 | this are grown up people (even with a brain of a child) not some kids though. and zidane isn't just someone not
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         |  WooferAttack
             from Milano (Italy) on 2006-07-11 09:28 [#01935761] Points: 12920 Status: Lurker | Followup to tolstoyed: #01935756
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 | not a nice answer imo :-/ 
 this discussion is surpassing the line... where are the
 mods? huh... one is here...
 
 
 
 
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         |  r40f
             from qrters tea party on 2006-07-11 09:30 [#01935762] Points: 14210 Status: Regular | Followup to WooferAttack: #01935761
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         |  tolstoyed
             from the ocean on 2006-07-11 09:31 [#01935764] Points: 50073 Status: Moderator
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 | haha, jav guys, this isn't going anywhere.. 
 
 
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