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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-06-16 05:38 [#01921030]
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*religious belief
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-06-16 05:38 [#01921031]
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surely "belief" is an unsupported opinion?
anyway, who gives a shit, whinging about definitions and proving god is crap, and never goes anywhere. evolution is more fun
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-06-16 05:38 [#01921032]
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I think it's more like oscillating
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DaggerHappy
from Australia on 2006-06-16 05:38 [#01921033]
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you're saying the the more we learn, the more questions are raised?
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Gwely Mernans
from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2006-06-16 05:38 [#01921034]
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two people argue, one person doubts.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-06-16 05:39 [#01921035]
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no, that's just opinion.
belief is the best you can do in any case.
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DaggerHappy
from Australia on 2006-06-16 05:39 [#01921036]
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ah.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-06-16 05:39 [#01921037]
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in other words: belief is a supported opinion.
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-06-16 05:41 [#01921038]
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so spiritualism, and the spiritual side of religion, that are not belief?
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Gwely Mernans
from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2006-06-16 05:42 [#01921039]
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I guess so. If I see a rock I know its a rock, if I read a book about rocks I learn what kind of rock, then how that rock formed, then where that rock came from, then what that rock is to me, then what am I, learning leads to dilemma, knowledge is not what we learn, its what we discover and observe. I feel like an ass for stating so much. It's all just opinions subject to change.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-06-16 05:45 [#01921041]
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yes they are
they are supported by the bible and the world around you
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Falito
from Balenciaga on 2006-06-16 05:46 [#01921043]
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the spirit exist..oh yeah..can you feel it?
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Falito
from Balenciaga on 2006-06-16 05:47 [#01921044]
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some people are not prone to feel it ..its all a divine plan
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-06-16 05:48 [#01921045]
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supported by the bible, yes i have never seen anything in the world around me that supports anything spiritual, nor has anyone i know
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2006-06-16 05:48 [#01921046]
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the more dominant religions are only so rife because they have books to support them. how successful would have christianity been without a bible?
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Gwely Mernans
from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2006-06-16 05:49 [#01921047]
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..oh yeah..
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-06-16 05:50 [#01921049]
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god created it
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-06-16 05:51 [#01921053]
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ive never seen anything that supports that over any other idea.
certainly never seen god creating anything.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-06-16 05:52 [#01921059]
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well, be that as it may, it is indeed support for christian beliefs
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-06-16 05:53 [#01921064]
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it definately meets their criteria
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-06-16 05:58 [#01921074]
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it meets any criteria for supporting that belief.. your criteria are not different, but your beliefs are.
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2006-06-16 11:08 [#01921217]
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evolution is real whether you believe in it or not. no matter what you may read on the infernet.
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2006-06-16 12:26 [#01921249]
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i'm glad this has finally been settled.
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QRDL
from Poland on 2006-06-17 01:33 [#01921464]
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The displacement of the idea that facts and evidence matter by the idea that everything boils down to subjective interests and perspectives is -- second only to American political campaigns -- the most prominent and pernicious manifestation of anti-intellectualism in our time.
-- Larry Laudan, Science and Relativism (1990)
Seeee? Mister Laudan here sais that Drunken Mastah is a Texas hick.
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-06-17 01:46 [#01921466]
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my criteria are different i want evidence that can be validated, is plentiful therefore more reliable, ties in with other evidence, and if in the form of an experiment, one that can be repeated. thats not faith!
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-06-17 07:56 [#01921641]
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I'm not anti-intellectualistic.. or, well, I may even be that at times, but I don't know what you mean by the expression.. I'm not against higher education (I'm doing that myself, so...), but I AM against intellectuals, when addressing people outside of their own field of study still use the terms that are most likely only known to people that study what they study; for public information you should use a language that everyone can understand. However in this case I am being critical and I must say that some people need a bit more critical perspective on things for their relationship towards it to be healthy.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-06-17 07:57 [#01921644]
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still no difference in criteria, just difference in beliefs; you don't accept their evidence as evidence of what they accept it as being evidence for because you don't believe in what they take it as evidence for.
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2006-06-17 12:55 [#01921886]
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i believe in wizards, hobbits and the ring of power. i read a very convincing book about it.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-06-17 18:10 [#01922095]
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most of your "knowledge" comes from books or stuff you read or hear or somehow come by second-hand.
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