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yes, i did indeed. |
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100 post.this thread evolutions |
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He reaches botttom when he appeals to the pride and "common sense" of his naive listeners: "Hello, grandfather rock. Yeah, right HAHA". God, he's disguisting. One good thing is that his tapes are not copyrighted so you can accuse him of being stubborn and narrow-minded, but not cynical at least. |
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That what happens here with threads about creationism. |
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odd, whoa |
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all i'm saying is that believing in anything with raw belief only isn't a good idea, and it has been done so often. i'm not pretending i know the answer, or believing in a false answer with blind hope. i'm saying that many cultures have based answers on higher beings that are in control. i don't see how i'm as bad as the people i'm critisising. whether or not the belief or the questions come first doesn't affect that belief. having a firm belief in god, and saying that everything around us is gods creation, still means that you should ask, how did god come about, is he real?, if you don't you're still believing in somehting without any evidence. believing in god isn't an excuse for not question what you don't have proof of. blaming things you don't undertsand isn't smart either. just my opinion. |
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*blaming things you don't undertsand on something you don't have evidence on aswell isn't smart either |
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it's in human nature to look for answers. it's only normal that we should create bullshit to put our minds at rest. |
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literalist religion is for people who cant be bothered to find things out for themselves and cant make their own decisions |
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it's done often, yes, and that also holds true for modern sciences. you're as bad as the people you're criticising in that you, without understanding or evidence or anything like that, say that they're doing something they aren't. you show this when you say that they should question the existence of god and ask for proof; it's a central theme in christian philosophy that to believe in god requires a leap of faith and that proving god for one thing is futile (since god is of such a character that he can't be understood by us; he is absolutely different and eternal) and second would destroy faith just like finding the answer to a question destroys the search for the question. also, by your reasoning, you should really get out there and question 'cause I'm sure you don't have proof of more than 5% of what you se on the news or what people are telling you happens in certain processes; are you sure a combustion engine works the way people say it does? do you have firm evidence or belief? what about your computer screen or keyboard? what about the sky and space? |
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i want to believe |
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believing sux. knowing is better. find stuff out for yourself! |
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yes, that is my reasoning, and you assume too much about what i don't understand. wouldn't have a clue what a combustion engine is though, or how it works. |
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I don't assume, I extract from your ignorant view of religious people. I'm not religious myself, but I know a bit about religiousness and religious philosophy, and most people who criticise religion do it on a completely wrong basis and with no understanding of what religion is about in the first place. |
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you're right though, there are obviously though there are things i have no idea about, but i would rather find evidence than make conclusions |
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i've said it once and i'll say it again it is impossible to prove / disprove god as he is based on impossibilities |
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not impossibilities, but difference.. absolute difference. so different he can't be understood. also, it isn't the point to prove him, but rather to believe. |
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science≠religion science≠dogma science≠superstition |
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the fact i said impossible implies that to even attempt to prove / disprove is futile |
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science=religion science=axiom science=belief |
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there is all this stupid dogma about how you cannot test god. therefore it is impossible to prove it either way, since unfalsifiability is in the biblical definition of god |
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yeah, but impossible is the wrong word, as he is indeed possible, just absolutely different. |
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i was brought up believing in god (him being the reason why things happened etc.). until, i don't know what age, it took a while to change, i believed in god, he was my answer, now i've gone the other way. so i think having been a firm believer in it once and now not having, i can express my point of view on the matter. it's a better experience than your text books, in my opinion. and even then, i'm not critisising religion, i'm critisising the idea of believing things without evidence. |
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you can express your point of view on the matter, just make it an informed one. having had a religious upbringing is not the same as being religious, and I doubt you ever got to the stage where you'd be a believer in god as you don't seem to have had the time to understand what he was before you changed direction. |
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i know! he is possible but it is impossible to prove / disprove as the only way to prove him would be to die and then come back (which is impossible) |
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oh, right yeah... |
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i didn't know what he was, therefore i changed direction? |
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science is on evolution when science and metaphisic are unite we got more answer..meanwhile...we see the thing separate |
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no, I don't know why you changed direction, but you seem to have done it before you actually started believing by yourself. |
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lol @ drunken mastah :D it is obvious that gods and deities were created to maintain order in large groups of population, and that first men explained things thru it, it's hard to point where or when but it's obvious that a minority of people in the first big civilizations knew how to manipulate other people thru their believes plus science tries as much as possible to be objective (which off course isn't really possible), more so than any other ways of understanding the world, so to me IT IS more likely to be right than religions which doesn't really question themselves and can't really prove anything i come from a highly christian background, and i understand well faith and the motives behind religions, i do think it is possible to be religious AND scientific if one hasn't got a narrow point of view on life and your remark on how we don't have proof of how things works is a bit stupid, appart from the sky and space, the examples you cite are all creations derived from scientific reasoning, that is why we understand how they work (i do) and the best proof science probably is on the right way of explaining things one of man's oldest dream is probably to fly... science made it possible that's a fact and you can't really argue facts... that is what gives science it's power, it's based as much as possible on facts |
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God. God God God. Antecedent God. Fathomless God. God. God God. Such an ambiguous and in some cases, irreverent definition. God is this and God is that. Here's one line to the focal point, God is your self actualized significance. The human condition has always been that of servitude. Even the masters cannot deny this core. Whenever something coincidental or spontaneously relevant happens to us we seem to confabulate the notion that something truely miraculous has happened to us [insert God here]. Something out of our boundaries has shown us personally that we are significant to some external force that smiles down upon is. Stop kidding yourselves. This post is not directed at anyone in particular. I've just seen the word 'God' way too many times whilst browsing this thread. I'm also not inviting discussion to what I've said. So don't expect a responce from me. |
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god has nothing to do with evolution anyway. |
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its all a divine plan |
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we're just random spacegoo, the method of evolution may be unknown, mayeb there is a creator, maybe he planted a seed for intelligence and self awareness to arise, maybe he didn't, irregardless of this, there has been no evidence of "magic" so far in the world. everything stems from some pre-event happening. cause in effect ladies and gents |
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1: rulers didn't like religion; it was in opposition to their power. religion wasn't created by some ruling class, and no-one knows for sure where it came from, but it seems to have originated in the lower/middle classes, places where stories are told. 2: you're right in that christians can't prove anything, as that is implicit in not questioning something. 3: science tries to be objective, yes. it also fails. it's also important to keep the nuances in mind and remember that what science tells you may not be the truth; to keep away from blind faith in science as well as in other relevant situations. 4: science and religion aren't opposites, no. not even the creation story has to be an opposite. 5: my example was for daggerhappy; he demands that people let go of beliefs, but he doesn't have any proof that an engine works the way it does. you don't have any proof that I'm not more than the worlds first funtional turing computer or that water evaporates from the ocean, forms clouds, rains down again and pours back into the ocean to start the cycle again. 6: everything is based as much as possible on facts, but interpretations vary, and facts standing on their own aren't anything at all; you need an interpretation for something to make sense, but at the same time you're adding colour. |
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religion wound have come from lower classes, it must have originated before civilisation. all the worlds nomads have animist and spiritualist religions |
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hey, whatever calms your thoughts in the dead silence of night. that ring you get in your ears. thats divine. oh yeah. thats attunement with the morphic resonance of earth. i talk to beings at night. they said wearing two pairs of socks is more comfortable. |
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i like your style..oh yeah... |
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wound? that could be both would and wouldn't misspelled... or you're talking about injuries. anyway, I think it's would, and will reply accordingly: "yeah." except for the "before civilisation" thing.. when did civilisation start? don't nomads have civilisation? |
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no they dont. sounds nasty but it isnt. ive always been taught that civilisation refers to a society that lives in permanent dwellings and conducting agriculture instead of being nomadic and finding food. "wound" should have been "wouldnt" (how the hell did i make a typo like that?) |
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believe what you want, my advice is to try and find evidence in that belief, that makes your belief is more deffendable (to yourself more than anything) and your beliefs will be stronger, and won't sway. |
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i believe in atlatida |
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does anyone ever just stop and think "whoa what the fuck? we're all on our own on this one little planet in this ridiculously huge universe. like the sun is 1.3 million times bigger than the earth. there are 100,000 million stars in one milky way (some even bigger than our own sun), and even then there are millions upon millions of milk ways outside of our own!" - If there is a god and he did make us, why the fuck would he make such an insanely huge universe? |
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oh, right.. the definition of civilisation seems to be "An advanced state of intellectual, cultural, and material development in human society, marked by progress in the arts and sciences, the extensive use of record-keeping, including writing, and the appearance of complex political and social institutions." however, I think it's kind of the same as saying the lower classes in a way, 'cause the nomads wouldn't have much power in any cities or whatever they dropped by; they'd just be visitors with stories. |
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once again, that would defeat the purpose of belief. |
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well you can't know everything? |
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there are always arguments from all directions, belief is just an acceptance in something being true, doesn't mean it has to be without knowledge or evidence. |
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the more we learn the less we know? |
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some people say we're devolving |
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