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jonesy: i don't mind if you do mate. It's just there's no time/ space here to seriously discuss such difficult topics (besides, phobia and co. would probably have me banned for spamming). I have a lot of thoughts on this but that would need a lot of evenings over a pint or two to discuss. (not that I drink alcohol, but you get the general idea). We are not at the mercy of the imperialism as long as we refuse to play the political economy game. When I talked about damaging our bodies yesterday I was only half joking. Try and find Baudrillard's "Symbolical Interchange and Death" for more ideas than I could ever give you. Or see Apocalypse now again. |
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Its turning into a homogenization of culture. I went to Barcelona about a year and a half ago. I haven't done much travelling (Spain twice in ten years) (poor working class me) and the first think I saw as I came out of the train station was a huge Marks and Spencers. I sighed in utter disappointment. Capital knows no boundaries. |
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and you're right JC. This simple set of rules (reproduction, consummation, recycling) is what makes capitalism so resistant to it's opponents. Most of them don't realise they follow same basic patterns that actually make capitalism so "evil". |
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Jonesy, you posted before me, but echoed my thoughts. |
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What the film? I love talking about this stuff, and yes its difficult here. If you're ever in Wales I'll buy you a pint (of non-alcholic liquid) and we could talk properly. I will investigate Baudrillard. I just wish I had more time to read. Damn you capitalism - you take all my time. Both working for you and fighting you. |
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I'm all for pooling of medical knowledge etc. but perhaps it would be better if art and architecture was kept a bit more segragationalist? I really like Parisian architecture and it'd be a shame to see it "Americanised". |
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Exactly, and we even work for capitalism when we fight it, if we choose to fight it's way. Cunning bastards, those who thought that up. Thanx for the invitation jonesy. |
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How else do we fight? That's what I'm trying to tease out of you. |
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wow reflex i'm quite the sick fucker but what you did made me genually angry at you. This is a perfect example/definition of being psychotic. People always think of doing things like this, but actually acting on them is what makes you crazy. good luck in life, cunt. |
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You're right, JC. But this is the way capitalism works. It knows no boundaries, it's more cosmopolitan than any leftist movements I know. |
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Ugh, jonesy, I'm typing furiously here but still fail to catch up with you and JC (not a lot of work gets done here in my office). We first extract what are the basic features of capitalism (the VERY basic features of capital) and work the other way. These are the things we usually don't ever question because we think they are part of natural order of things. That Battailes' book I mentioned yesterday is a good one to read. |
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My father has a good analogy about "right" and "left"wing. He reckons that rather than being a line it's a circle, after a point, leftism becomes similair to fascism. You only have to look at russian "communism" and see how similair to Nazi Germany it is. And lefty "eco-terrorists" who kill people to draw attention to their cause. |
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Hey man, if we carry on like this we'll bring it down ourselves. I do no work here. Ha, ha. |
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Doing no work just skanks those who do and they work harder because they're proportionally poorer for supporting "non-workers". I honestly can't see any viable way to fight capitalism, even if you have a street protest, you have to *buy* the loudspeakers, banners and markers. I think you just have to resign yourself to the fact that you can't fight capitalism. |
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The people who let everyone else do all the work are the legion of shareholders not us. |
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But people who go on the dole to "Fight Capitalism" just skank the working class. I saw a recent poster at my uni saying "capitalist students unite" non-payment of fees to build a better communist future. No, you'd just be ripping of the students who do pay. |
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Mate I finished uni last summer and paid a load of fees, despite the fact my parents are low-wage earners. If someone didn't pay I'd support them. It wouldn't have effected me. In fact it would have benefited me because someone would have been standing up to the government. What makes you think there are people on the dole to fight capitalism? A certain level of unemployment is necessary. The governor of the Bank of England is famously quoted as saying so. Capitalism needs a reserve army of labour to keep wages down. If there are less jobs they can pay us lower wages. Competition between workers is how the system survives, amongst other complex structures. |
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Quote: REFLEX from Edmonton (Canada) on 2002-03-05 23:37 [#00113291] Points: 1033 Status: Wizard " Thats not so bad man! In high school we used to pick on this one kid, we made him get naked in a public place and yell "im a duck!" and stuff like that, he would cry and stuff too.... we would make him do and eat things we found on the ground, make him do too many drugs and stuff.... he said we ruined his life... and we did.. so be happy you didnt know poeple like me or my friends..... cheer up!" And then you tell that wonderful story about you robbing a McDonalds with a fake gun, I´m so sad :-( I wish I had friends like you in my childhood I bet my life would be a lot more INTERESTING and FUN! (sarcasm is tha best!) |
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little green people are eating my brains and it tickles hahahahah |
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Id like to see what Reflex has to say bout this one. |
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uH, i'M FALLING BEHIND MAJOR WAY. Anyway, just in short: the common misconception about left and right is that left is nice and caring and right grim and aggressive. This is untrue, the defining feature of the left is its revoulutionary intentions (striving for change of things) and the defining feature of the right is its conservativism (striving to preserve current status). So, German Nazis were basicly a leftist party: their full name was National-socialist WORKERS party of germany. I know, doing no work just fucks those who work. |
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wow... you guys sure have gone of on an tangent, thou not a bad one... the real question is, whether what he did what he said or not, is why does he think this is funny? if what he wrote is suppossed to be satire, or absurd sillyness, it is not that apparent... certainly based on stuff he has wrote in the past. emotionally, he seems like a disturbed 13 year old, poor reflex against the world. |
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I have been absent for longer than I thought. That reflex type is one nasty mutha. jonesy, you're right. |
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I was thinking... isnt it odd how the topic strayed from Reflex being a complete fucking idiot to Nazi Germany....? :) |
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fernz: no, this things are linked (especially when having idle theory wanking bastards like me around) |
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I was in portland for two months back in 1990 |
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How is this related to any of this, Nacmat? (I'm glad you were in Portland, though, one of my fave bands is from Portland) |
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do you know about the follow up messages? I was talking to the guy from portland... :-) |
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I like theories though. :) |
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In fact Im fond of Nietzsche and Marx. |
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"Marxism is all powerful because it is true" V. I 'nice beard' Lenin "When we are victorious I think we shall use gold for the purpose of decorating public lavatories" Also Lenin |
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who did Lenin say was gonna CLEAN these gold public lavatories? |
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Sorry, Nac, didn't look. I'm a jerk. But I Loooove Poison Idea!!! And they're from Portland. Nietzche would kick Marx's arse in a bare knuckled fight. He was a fucking bully. In print at least. But with such grand style and ideas!!! |
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Yeah but he went round the bend. Marx had a protective beard and a sharper pen. Americans would clean the loos of course. Just kidding. I nominate the English |
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Did Poison Idea have a song called Alan's on Fire? |
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jonesy - Ceri... Check out textz.org .... lots of great ctheory texts there...be warned, once you visited the site, you may never have another spare moment.... |
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Cheers Jand will check it out |
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Thanks Jand. |
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What ever happened to ringing someones door bell and running off? |
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I felt so exited when I did that back when I was 24 LOL |
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I've done stupid things... I mooned some girl when I was 13, but I didn't have a fake gun sticking out of my ass to scare her half to death. |
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Just your ass was enough? |
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I just find it totally funny that most of you are contemplating the point behind it all, so what if some of you think it was lame? I didnt, nor did my friends, are we immature all around and just fucks? No. Far from it. And none of you know me or my friends, so why try? It was hilarious, and ofcourse we are going to get different responses, some people feel it in their power to, for some reason tell me or "us" why it wasnt "cool". But I tell them, dont bother, because I thought otherwise, so what your saying is just... filler. Im sorry that this isnt something you would maybe do, but then why would you care? Do some of you have that close to no lives to actually try and figure out mine? |
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And its nothing beyond what it is. You can all SO easily sit there and think your some sort of socialite guru by telling each other that i was moronic, or a 13 year old lashing out, or angry at the world. Neither of those are true. I was having fun, so stop being so fucking uptight and live a little, oh wait - im so sorry getting out of your parents basements or your rooms is beyond comprehension. |
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And its not changing me in the least, do you think that I would care about the girl? She was about 18, why would I care what she thought? And you may say "what would you have done?" I would have done nothing... and not cared after. And its SO funny how you can all sit here and say things like "what he did is so moronic" so this is fact? you all find it so? last time I checked someones opinion didnt constitute for a fact. Just stop talking about it like you have way too much time on your hands. |
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I you do that shit in america you get arrested for armed robbery whether it was real or not... |
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crazy guy! |
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i still like you though |
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ps im not gay |
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DUDE REFLEX, i TOTALLY support you, i think its pretty damn funny. nobody was hurt. its a win/win situation. you have free food, the girl has a strange story |
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