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hooked
from United States on 2005-08-18 13:39 [#01699707]
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thanks.
see, i don't think that blacks are choosing not to be educated or go to jail. it's a perception of reality. it's the way the reality is shaped for blacks in this country. i live in chicago where over 50% of male blacks do NOT graduate from high school and when i talk to them the impression is always, "why go to school when i won't be able to get a job anyway? why try when i can make money from drugs 'cause that's what all my heroes are soing anyway?" [you ever hear any popular hip hop songs rapping about going to school?] most black kids i know understand that no matter how hard they try they are not going to be on the same level financially or whatever. and the media helps to create this impression. successful blacks are mintrels, they are stupid rich rappers or athletes or hot girls with fine asses. the rest of the blacks are criminals. at least that's how it is here in chicago and boston where i once lived.
what it comes down to is that they don't have the choice. if a white dude gets pulled over and has some weed, he's not going to jail. if he's black, he's locked up for maximum sentence. that is really a fact in this city (my dad's a cop).
tolstoyed, where do you live?
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-08-18 13:43 [#01699715]
Points: 50073 Status: Moderator | Followup to hooked: #01699707
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exactly, that is why i was saying all that stuff about how parents should take a bigger role in it. if they're too stupid (most of us are at that age), their parents should take care of that and explain them facts of life as they are.
im from slovenia, so my thoughts on this don't mean much :)
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2005-08-18 13:44 [#01699716]
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if you believe that they don't have the choice then they will always be someone's victim.
where is there room for any personal responsibility in your view?
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hooked
from United States on 2005-08-18 13:45 [#01699719]
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plaid zebra -- i think you're right about the issue of class. it's a broader type of discrimination in the us. but i would say within the class discrimination, at least statistically, blacks are at the bottom of the barrell.
also, to the dude who brought up the native americans -- i am native american and it's truly horrible that this country was founded on the murder of my people. and it goes on every day, we are so marginalized it's ridiculous. we have basically no rights at all, just like when columbus arrived.
on a lighter note, i'm listening to afx remixes of st etienne. this is really nice old school icbyd style, creamy filters and what not.
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hooked
from United States on 2005-08-18 13:47 [#01699720]
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whoa whoa, i'm not at all shirking the responsibility of individuals. i'm not saying these kids are right or that the ruling powers dictate every small decision of blacks. i'm just trying to paint a picture of the impression that most blacks face here.
but you guys are correct in suggesting that it's always up to the individual. hell yes. it's just ridiculously harder for blacks and they don't have as many options.
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i_x_ten
from arsemuncher on 2005-08-18 13:48 [#01699721]
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nigg...........oh,
better not.
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hooked
from United States on 2005-08-18 13:50 [#01699723]
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nigg...........oh,
better not.
lol
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Mertens
from Motor City (United States) on 2005-08-18 14:12 [#01699730]
Points: 2064 Status: Lurker | Followup to Taffmonster: #01699695
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Hey, I was just explaining how I feel about those words. I'm not asking you to stop using them or walk on eggshells.
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brokephones
from Londontario on 2005-08-18 14:14 [#01699732]
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Does the term "Cracker" refer to the sound a whip makes? Not up on the origins of that word.
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Taffmonster
from dog_belch (Japan) on 2005-08-18 14:36 [#01699749]
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if anyone saw extras tonight you would have seen a prime example of why i dont wish to panda around racist remarks or ideas of race cos quite frankly it causes more problems
so bleh to this thread and its connotations that we should all watch our words incase we offend someone
what a platypus "note no offence is meant to the plight of the platypus etc etc etc"
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