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there's a big difference between saying shit like that with your friends and saying it with strangers on a public mb who don't necessarily take it that way. |
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and another thing - we have jews over here as well, but you don't know that untill they tell you..if they tell you. personally i don't see why that would be important. it doesn't seem important to them either. we're all just people.. |
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it's internet..nothing should be taken seriously!!! |
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I know very few black people (2 I would call friends and about 4 I would call people I know and get on with) so I can't really make a judgement. |
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Most people i hang around dont know me nor havent met me before. Due to my lifestyle. Then again i say offensive stuff all the time. Racism would make like 1% of jokes. Most material has to do with child rape and dead baby jokes. |
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america still has huge problems with racism and oppression. i don't find it at all amusing to just lazily use racist terms like that. and how incredibly fucking callous to whine, "ohh how come THEY get to say it and I don't get to say the word..." fuck off with that. try growing up black in america and see how it feels when someone calls you a nigger. until then, you don't get to decide what's fucking fair about it. |
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In context it can be. Anything can be derogatory in the right context. |
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it seems that you just don't understand how intense the history of racism in the us has been. there's a lot more to it than slavery. people act like it's important because it is important. to ignore or forget about it would be to hide from it, i think. |
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Dude the white male is the most hated in our lovely nation. |
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yeah, once again, it's obviously a question of where you are using these words and who you are saying them to. |
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like child porn, for example? some things have to be taken seriously, on the web or anywhere. |
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dude, no fucking way. |
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yes, but those issues will never end if they're going to make such a big deal out of it constantly. and it's not like i need to say that word - personally i don't use it. but if it's that offensive, why do they use it? im just stating my personal opinion here :) |
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VP, you do not need to experience the crime in order to experience the attitude behind it. As for the use of nigger between black people, I agree that there is a double standard. But usually, black people use is the same way Europeans would use 'mate'. If this were the same meaning behind the word when most white people use it, we wouldn't be having this disussion. |
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"ok, why do young black people use that word so often then? because they enjoy being miserable?" no, basically because they're being young and ignorant. there's a good passage about this from the "African American Registry", which I got from wikipedia: "[Neorevisionist] arguments [for the use of "nigga"] may not be true to life. Brother (Brotha) and Sister (Sistah or Sista) are terms of endearment. Nigger was and still is a word of disrespect. ...the artificial dichotomy between blacks or African Americans (respectable and middle-class) and niggers (disrespectable and lower class) ought to be challenged. Black is a nigger, regardless of behavior, earnings, goals, clothing, skills, ethics, or skin color. Finally, if continued use of the word lessened its damage, then nigger would not hurt or cause pain now. Blacks, from slavery 'til today, have internalized many negative images that white society cultivated and broadcast about black skin and black people. This is mirrored in cycles of self-and same-race hatred. The use of the word nigger by blacks reflects this hatred, even when the user is unaware of the psychological forces involved. Nigger is the ultimate expression of white racism and white superiority no matter how it is pronounced." |
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I call white people nigga as in "What's up niggas?" when I answer the phone to them or walk into the room they're in. It's more from watching too many films. As an side note. I watched You Got Served last night.... Man that film could be deemed racist! |
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i don't understand that, no. but i keep seeing it mentioned all the time and i just can't see how this is making it any better.. "ike child porn, for example? some things have to be taken seriously, on the web or anywhere. " this is not a child porn site, but a music one..we make jokes constantly, and stuff like that shouldn't be taken seriously. |
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there you have it. |
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everyday people including cops and shit. everyday places dont think just parties and amongst good friends. i am equally outspoken and offensive no matter where i am. ----------------- I've pretty much said what i had to say. I guess its kind of being dragged out but whatever. I dont want to offend Mertens though because hes a nice guy and i like him. I felt bad when he made that thread because i knew he was offended. |
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just because you don't take something seriously doesn't mean someone else doesn't. I'm certainly with you concerning not taking the internet seriously, but we're also people, so if something is a problem we can talk about it. :) |
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why is it being dragged out? I really don't see that. we're having a discussion. except that I don't think you're really reacting to what is being said. |
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yes, ofcourse. and also, im pretty sure that 10/10 balck people would find a word nigger to be offensive if they read it on xltronic.. |
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Can't we all just hug? |
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shh! Thats not what i meant but when i reread what i wrote i understand what you mean. I dont understand what i was trying to say.... i was rushing for potstickers and am still fucked up a touch sowwy! |
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you're not required to be sensitive to anyone else's feelings, and you're entitled to treat any subject you wish with irreverence. but civility and respect for others' feelings makes the message board a better place. you keep hearing it mentioned all the time because the wounds from those events are still healing. you think about the social conflicts as the past, but in fact they continue. the african americans who do talk about it are individuals, and not representatives of a racial collective that thinks and feels the same way. surely there are both rational and irrrational perspectives. surely there are individuals who relish and exploit their status as perpetual victim. one personal example, i taught at an elementary school and a high school in the early nineties that had only just been integrated *because of a law suit*. up until that time, the african-americans in this city were sent to shitty, underfunded schools, while the whites went to good, well-funded schools. less than twenty years ago, and it only ended because of intensive legal action to force the change. change comes very slowly. |
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I'm just trying to illustrate that nigger has historical ties to racism that are hard to cut. I could care less about the word. Words in themselves are meaningless. Its the attitue behind its use I worry about. And since that historical attitude is one of comtempt for an 'inferior' race I get a bit jumpy when it's used. I know that guys like virginpusher don't have that attitude so I'm not going to worry about it anymore. |
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I don't think there's too many Alf Garnets left in the world. |
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i don't mean any disrespect for anyone..not in real life nor message boards. and i like to think everyone else is like that as well, therefore i just can't be offended because i know they don't really mean anything. they're going to heal for ever if they keep being mentioned all the time..why think of all that shit that went on if there are other things we can look up to.. "the african americans who do talk about it are individuals, and not representatives" well, it goes the same for us. im sure there are some white people who use word nigger offensivly, but we're not all like that. especially not europeans, and this is a european messagge board :) i don't know how to answer your last paragraph though as i haven't experienced it myself. im sure there are differences between whites and blacks in the states, and other parts as well actually - i get very sad when i see young africans when i visit italy for instance. they just seem to not fit somehow so they always hang out in groups..it's very unlikly you'll see a black and white person walking together on a street in most of the europe.. i imagine it's kind of the same in the states. white and black people to be separated, and that's just silly..but i can't help but not to think that they sort of prefer it that way for some reason.. |
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perhaps it would be a mistake to associate contemporary racist perspectives with an old television stereotype. |
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yes, but for some reason you always seem to find the word 'nigger' in context with bad attitude..even when it isn't meant like that. that's all im saying :) |
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not to mention i kinda fear to visit the states because of what they show in the movies. i'd probably freak out if it would be getting dark and two black dudes would walking towards me on a sidewalk.. |
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sorry, i should have been a bit clearer. when i said "you," i actually meant "an individual." i didn't intend to single you out, and would consider you one of the most respectful individuals on the board. i was only trying to illustrate why, even though someone should not overreact to opinions that are expressed on a message board, it's still in everyone's best interests to be respectful. to add some balance, i have had my life threatened twice, unprovoked and because i'm "white," by african-american individuals. i was also formally accused (falsely, i might add, but i suppose you'll have to take my word for it) of racism by an individual i supervised at a job. i got a million stories! : ) to clarify my last paragraph, the problem was not necessarily that blacks went to one school and whites went to the other school. the problem was that the "black" facility was underfunded, and the "white" facility was well funded. these are public schools, supported by tax money. |
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Racism is racism, stereotype or not. The only reason something becomes a stereotype is because it crops up a lot. And racism did used to crop up a lot more than it does these days. Perhaps it's a mistake to become more relaxed about the terms which had previously been so offensive. Maybe we're not ready to relax yet. Though in some ways we're less relaxed with regard to politcial correctness. I mean what terms are we allowed to use? Is "black people" acceptable? "African American"? Those ethnically not African American may be offended by that. You get to the point where you find you can't even talk about the subject without stepping on toes. Like here. Now. |
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heh, i unerstood that last paragraph, it's just that i forgot of what i was trying to say i suppose. it sucks it have to be like that, but perhaps that would change if black people would try and fit in with the rest..but it isn't only about black people really..it goes for any race in america. it's just extremly silly to see for me all those various communities keeping for them selves instead of trying to live together.. i bet everyone living in states has a lot of stories to tell..someone i know was working on some big ship as a waiter i think and he was working with a lot of african americans. he was all freaked out about it when he came back, saying how careful he had to be around them because they would accuse him of being racist even if that was the last thing he intended to do..and he's not a racist by any means..no one here is. |
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you're right, the issue is complicated to the degree that there will always be those who are offended by this or that label or position. i knew a jamaican woman who grew up in the us and bristled at "african-american." of course, we now know through systematic investigation that all humans have their origins in africa. i think i misunderstood your intent at first in your comment about alf garnet... |
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hey, now everyone else is trying to fit in with black culture! music, humor, fashion, language, attitude. |
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Aiyyo, turn it up Muhammad Turn everything up in the headphones so I don't lose my vocals Yeah that's good, turn my vocals a little bit with the upper bassline I be hatin sucka MC's, and the sucka niggas Posing like they hard when we know they damn card what you figure, rhyme-wise, I do the figure eight So concisely, musically we are the herb so sit back and light me, inhale *inhalation noise* My style is kinda fat reminescent of a whale Young girls desires for the females dreams I be the Abstract Poetic representin from Queens Socially I'm not a name, black and white got game If you came to the jam, well I'm glad you came See, nigga first was used back in the Deep South Fallin out between the dome of the white man's mouth It means that we will never grow, you know the word dummy Other niggas in the community think it's crummy But I don't, neither does the youth cause we em-brace adversity it goes right with the race And being that we use it as a term of endearment Niggas start to bug to the dome is where the fear went Now the little shorties say it all of the time And a whole bunch of niggas throw the word in they rhyme Yo I start to flinch, as I try not to say it But my lips is like the oowop as I start to spray it My lips is like a oowop as I start to spray it My lips is like a oowop as I start to spray the Sucka nigga, nigga nigga I throw the sucka in the front for the ones that front The sucka niggas, nigga nigga I throw the sucka in the front for the ones that front The sucka niggas, nigga nigga I throw the sucka in the front for the ones that front It's the neo-nigga of the nineties, c'mon |
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either way would be good..but if everyone would indeed do that, black people would probably find something different for them selves. they just want to be treated different :) now im generalizing and that's not good :) |
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Tolstoyed, believe me when I say that I don't live in the past. The fact that my recent ancestors were slaves does not excuse me from personal failure or allow me to blame white people in this country for my problems. At the same time, the history between these two groups of people cannot be ignored if we want to understand the current racial tension overall between the two. |
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dude you have a seriously sensitive outlook do you like petition to have nigger in africa renamed because its name is offensive? |
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oh god. i dearly hope you're not really that stupid. |
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what racial tension mate? ebcause i wasnt seeing any untill you got all upset cos someone said nigger. i thought racial tension was between us and uk and the muslims thats were hatred lays now no one cares if your black shit i dont care if your neon purple |
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well, i can't understand it since i haven't experienced it. but we have this odd situation here as well. all because of a 2nd world war. my country was sort of divided into two groups - partisans and colaborators. and eventhough they were all the same nation they were killing eachother, not only during the war..some mass murders occoured when the war was already over. there are still big tensions about that and reconciliation still hasn't been made. but that's something politicians and old people who experienced it talk about, and not general population. i can understand there are tensions there, and it's a very complex problem that both sides should work on.. |
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haha, oh man :D |
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"hey do you wanna change the the country of nigger in africa to be called sumthin else because you don't liek the word huh? stop being so sensitive all the time." you've got to be fucking kidding me. stupidest shit ever. |
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it's niger not nigger btw :) |
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well, I know that. anyone with any shred of intelligence knows that. and if they weren't sure, they should probably double-check before posting it in a thread about racism/ |
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sorry for the accidental bold fuckup. |
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time to end this thread, its gone on too long as it is |
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