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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-05-20 03:34 [#01196985]
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he doesn't say idm in general...it's all about autechre here...
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VLetr
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-20 03:34 [#01196987]
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can you suggest a reputable cosmetic surgeon?
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VLetr
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-20 03:36 [#01196989]
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well, it's not *all* about autechre. i know the tunnel vision autechre syndrome round these parts pisses you off tolstoy :)
but it's certainly not about music you can dance to and would be played at a party, Jarworski.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-05-20 03:39 [#01196993]
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"i know the tunnel vision autechre syndrome round these parts"
you already noticed this, and you have been here for only like a month...that says it all :)
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Doomed Puppy
from on and off and on and off and on 2004-05-20 03:43 [#01197000]
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I realised it from my first post. Cheers!!!!
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KEYFUMBLER
from DUBLIN (Ireland) on 2004-05-20 03:52 [#01197011]
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oh the irony of it all.
after reading all this stuff yesterday on girls brains not getting Ae as much as boys i ended up listening to a ton of AE last night with an ex-girlfriend - who i had introduced AE to -and in between conversation she would jump up and say things like "oh.... i love the way this bit feels like a metallic orange unpealing" or something.
She OWNED Autechre totally and the more abstract the better!
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nacmat
on 2004-05-20 03:57 [#01197016]
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word
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VLetr
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-20 03:57 [#01197017]
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shit mate you should have stuck with that one. porking to parhelic triangle, awesome.
btw did you decide to do the whole speed dating thing?
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sneakattack
on 2004-05-20 03:58 [#01197020]
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hi vletr, thanks for being nice even though I was talking out of my ass a bunch. One reason everything I'm posting is skewed is that I'm coming from the other direction--I want to make computers act like better humans (yes, I'm working on a fully general AI), so sometimes the mechanisms I give for how the brain works are actually mechanisms by which something like a computer could emulate the human brain. Eh, which means I'm really talking out of my ass. I'll go disappear no, goodbye. Sorry for yelling at you earlier, by the way.
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-20 03:58 [#01197023]
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I would think that most of the crowd who turned up to watch Aphex Plaid and Vibert would be at least acquainted with Autechre. Most of what you've said in this thread is interesting but the gender thing never convinces me.
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VLetr
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-20 03:59 [#01197025]
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do you really think that, if you got a list of all the people who own a copy of confield, there would be as many girls as boys?
i reckon it would be 95% males. total guess of course.
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sneakattack
on 2004-05-20 03:59 [#01197026]
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nice of you to comment. I always expect 10x more from myself than I am capable of doing, so in general I'm too self deprecated, but about once every 5 weeks I have a period of turbo laziness wherein I really start bashing myself, and that's where I am now.
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VLetr
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-20 04:02 [#01197027]
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yeah i got that impression, you clearly know a shitload more than i do about computers.
this a project you're doing on your own?
do you play Go? i've always thought it interesting that Go is one of the few games computers can't be programmed to beat humans at. pattern recognition and all that. will be a significant milestone when a superior Go A.I. is achieved.
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Doomed Puppy
from on and off and on and off and on 2004-05-20 04:03 [#01197031]
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I ask myself the same question about "cream of the second coming" by Whitehouse.
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nacmat
on 2004-05-20 04:04 [#01197034]
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the only person i know in real life who likes autechre is a woman
so that leads me to say that real life people who like autechre are 100% women
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Matvey
from Kiev (Ukraine) on 2004-05-20 04:05 [#01197037]
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50%
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VLetr
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-20 04:06 [#01197042]
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slightly erroneous logic don't you think? the only person i can see holding a coffee cup right now is me, so therefore 100% of people who like coffee are slightly stoned medical secretaries.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-05-20 04:07 [#01197043]
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there are plenty of women into idm, but they like the more warm stuff, rhythmic, possibly with organic sounds...and well autechre aren't any of that. im sure the ratio of ae fans would be something like 92%males-8%females.
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-05-20 04:08 [#01197045]
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I don't think women don't listen to IDM (it was a girl that basically introduced me to aphex twin and squarepusher),
but I still think autechre is masculine.
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sneakattack
on 2004-05-20 04:08 [#01197046]
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I've had that theory for ages.
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VLetr
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-20 04:12 [#01197056]
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yeah obviously there are girls into the broader IDM thing. i'm talking jarring, glitchy, out of time beats with minimal melody.
to take a different approach, how many female IDM producers are there?
mira calix.... that's one.....erm...
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Doomed Puppy
from on and off and on and off and on 2004-05-20 04:14 [#01197063]
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What is the percentage of female participants in the xlt community? 0%
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-05-20 04:14 [#01197064]
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we discussed that before
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VLetr
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-20 04:15 [#01197067]
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that i'm slightly stoned?
always thought it was obvious :>
what's your approach for the AI thing? evolutionary algorithms are where's it at, biatch. virtual genes and all that.
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nacmat
on 2004-05-20 04:16 [#01197071]
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I was parodying your theory
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VLetr
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-20 04:20 [#01197076]
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oh, okay.
well that's why i unleashed 'my' theory on the xlt board, to do a bit of unscientific data gathering, and of course to generate some debate. if i just based it on girls i know that like hardcore rhythmic autechre it would be 100% male, but then a sample of the people that one person knows would hardly be very representative would it?
and yes i know plenty of girls thankyou. *awards self a medal*
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nacmat
on 2004-05-20 04:21 [#01197079]
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I talk about facts... you about guesses
people I know (included me) who like autechre: 2
me = man the other = woman
50% male and 50% female
bring me facts that can fight mine
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VLetr
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-20 04:25 [#01197090]
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however we do it it's not gonna be representative cos there's a bias towards internet users. but fuck it, let's do this.
males i know (in real life) that like confield/ep7/draft autechre: 6
females i know that like c/ep7/d autechre: 0.
anybody else?
by the way, the interesting read from prof baron-cohen. for those who despaired at the excessive length of my first post.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-05-20 04:28 [#01197095]
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males:0 girls:0
no wonder i don't appreciate them much either :)
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-05-20 04:31 [#01197103]
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i would also like to see how many other artists the biggest ae fans heard. coz well, i often get this feeling they mostly listen to same narrow group of artists, and are therefore missing a lot of brilliant music that is being released...
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nacmat
on 2004-05-20 04:33 [#01197106]
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you think that about me?
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nacmat
on 2004-05-20 04:34 [#01197107]
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when I get home today, i ll post artists i like and cds of
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-05-20 04:35 [#01197110]
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well, you too, ofcourse. but if you check polls, you can see that always the same group of artists is selected, and most of them are either on skam, rephlex, mu or warp...which is really sad, coz there are thousands of other brilliant artists. i also see this when people sometimes recomend less familiar artists, and those threads usually get like 2 replys or so...ah well...it's all good :)
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-05-20 04:37 [#01197112]
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that'd be nice. infact i'll see what you like, and then im going to burn a bunch of albums i think you should check and i'll send them to you via mail!
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nacmat
on 2004-05-21 10:09 [#01200232]
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artists I ve got cds of
CARLOS JEAN Y NAJWA NIMRI CHOP SHUEY DJ KRUSH & TOSHINORI KONDO ELUSIVE FILA BRAZILIA GOTAN PROJECT KRUDER AND DORFMEISTER LAIKA MASSIVE ATTACK MOBY PORTISHEAD RED SNAPPER TERRANOVA TRICKY DES PRESS CAFFE FUTURE SOUND OF LONDON HEDKANDY HUMANOID IAN POOLEY LEFTFIELD MODEL 500 NOISE FROM THE URBAN SIDE ORB ORBITAL UNDERWORLD (MARCO) MUSE NIN OFFSPRING PLACEBO RADIOHEAD SMASHING PUMPKINS BOB MARLEY HORACE ANDY AIR ASTRUD BECK BJORK JAY-JAY JOHANSON METEOSAT SEXY SADIE & BIG TOXIC STEREOLAB ALMODÓVAR Y MCNAMARA BLUR BUNBURY ECHOBELLY ERYKAH BADU HEAVENLY KULA SHAKER LA BUENA VIDA LE MANS LOS PLANETAS MANU CHAO MERCURY REV+ MICHAEL JACKSON MORRISEY PIZZICATO FIVE PRINCE PULP JOY DIVISION SAINT ETTIENE SUEDE U2 VARIOS NEW AGE VARIOS JAZZ BLACKALICIOUS CPV DE LA SOUL DJ SHADOW DJ SHADOW - QUANNUM DJ SHADOW- UNKLE DJ VADIM DJ POGO STROBOSCOPICA – VARIOS AUTECHRE BOARDS OF CANADA BOGDAN RACZYNSKI BOLA CHRIS CLARK GLOBAL GOON KRAFTWERK LEILA LFO LUKE VIBERT OVUCA PLAID PLONE PREFUSE 73 REPHLEXions RICHARD D JAMES RICHARD DEVINE SQUAREPUSHER SUSUMU YOKOTA THE BLACK DOG U ZIQ VENETIAN SNARES PRODIGY SIDE EFFECTS 4HERO GOLDIE PHOTEK RONI SIZE SLY´N MO. SABINA CHEMICAL BROTHERS DEEJAY PUNK ROC FATBOYSLIM LO-FIDELITY ALLSTARS PRIMAL SCREAM JAMES TAYLOR QUARTET MORPHINE QUEEN BEATLES LENNON DAVID BOWIE THE DOORS VELVET UNDERGROUND PJ HARVEY JAMIRO QUAY EELS HEFNER OZONE BABIES THE CURE U2 ENIGMA ROB BROWN MIX BURNT FRIEDMAN DNTEL FAT KAIMO GESCOM VARIOS SKAM MUSHROOM
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nacmat
on 2004-05-21 10:11 [#01200233]
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I know it may not be a big list, but I dont only listen to 4 or 5 artists
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-05-21 10:17 [#01200242]
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that's a nice list, but just what i was thinking...nothing quite like autechre...you have many great artists, but none of those can't be compared to autechre and their music.
that's it, im going to rip some stuff, and send it to you as soon as possible.
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