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i use an X-can v3 headphone amp, and i'm pretty pleased with the sound (infact i'm very pleased), and i have had the opportunity to try the 800s a couple of times, but man, this stuff get's expensive. $1,399.95 according to amazon.com. i have a cd with some deep jegog (the best jegog-recording i've ever heard, infact!) that i'd love to try out. till then, i'll settle with the 650. don't the 800s get heavy, though? |
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"The 800s are so detailed that they will easilly unmask shit recordings, which is both a good thing and a bad thing." haha! |
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do you guys prefer open or closed headphones? my friend works for harman and gets employee discounts. but the highest models they offer are 242HD (open) and 272HD (closed) ... unfortunately no one around here has any that i could demo...so not sure if i should buy without trying. but the price is so cheap it won't hurt. im talking like under $90 for the 272HDs. they list the price for the K701s (like 105 $) but i dont think he can get those at this time. |
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i've only had closed headphones... i'd suggest looking for some reviews, perhaps? |
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there's not too many on those models (even on head-fi) do you enjoy closed headphones? my existing senns are open - but they're just cheapies. a lot of the stores (physical stores) in my area wont even let you try headphones on...kind-of a health issue. i think im just going the 272hd route; really can't go wrong for the ridiculous employee discount price. i dont have an amp at the moment, but my stereo receiver's dac sounds pretty decent and the headphone amp is powerful...not quite on the same level as a dedicated obviously, but should hold me over. |
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i'm very satisfied with my headphones. at first i thought they felt too tight, but it was really just a matter of getting used to them. some years ago i always used headphones - for everything. i've learned to appreciate speakers now, though, and i mainly use the headphones whenever it's getting too late, or i want to hear the sounds up close. how does open headphones sound? apparently you get a more natural sound quality (or so the internet says)... |
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Open headphones, every single time. Unless you're on a bus or something, in which case a phone like the HD-25's are great. Open just sounds more natural. The HD650 is open btw. |
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oh, ok. my bad. i've always thought that it'd make more noise through open headphones than it (apparently) does. |
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person A prefers composition quality, person B prefers sound quality... thus opinions. And am i not allowed to roam this thread when i want to? How about because i find this an interesting discussion? |
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Open is better for studio work. Closed is better for casual listening. |
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Nothing to do with Elusives little Hitler rant on how music should be heard. Have you seen the MPC replacement pads you can get? They're a bit responsive. The MPC 1000 I'm talking about. |
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actually I sold my mpc a few years ago, but I have heard those pads can be an improvement. |
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what the hell? the only advantages to closed headphones is for certain monitoring situations (dj cueing, to stop outside noise, studio monitoring for vocals etc, so the sound doesn't bleed into the mic) and for everything else, open headphones provide the most natural sound. there is a reason you rarely see any professional headphones (£200+) which are closed. the only thing closed headphones sometimes provide is a punchier bass, mainly cos it feels like a drum is banging in your head. some people prefer this, but i don't. hope that helps! |
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"for everything else, open headphones provide the most natural sound." you have a citation for this? not razzin ya, but im still making my decision on what to buy and any extra reading is beneficial/welcomed. i have to check but i think the akg 242hd components are a bit lesser quality than the 272hd ... but the 272hd is closed. so i prefer open (ive never really used closed for extended periods of time - so not sure there) ... but if the 272 sounds better, i'd somewhat rather go that route. since i can get them both about the same price, it's going to come down to which one has better quality/materials and the open/closed preference will be secondary :-/ |
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check www.head-fi.org as theres been a million discussions on it. or just type open vs closed headphones in google. i've always used open, simply because i hate the cavernous/caved in effect of closed back phones. it literally feels like all the music is in your head, whereas with good open back phones, the soundstage is wider and feels more natural. it's hard to describe, but if you get some open back phones and cover the grills with your hand, it demonstrates perfectly what i mean. bass response can be just as good with open as it can with closed. something like the hd650 is fantastic for bass. you can get decent closed back phones as well, but you have to pay shitloads more to get them comparable to an open phone. |
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It's a |
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why do you want everyone to buy open headphones, brisk? do you want everyone to listen to music the way you listen to music? I KIDDD, I KIDDD !!! :-* |
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that made me lol out loud |
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that's what's so fuked up about this thread. people seem to think that you dont need room treatments unless you're a studio. isn't it all about getting the most out of your system? why buy a headphone amp? why buy a new dac? why buy better speakers? everything is only as good as the weakest chain. im not talking about audiophile nonsense here (special speaker cabling, lol) - but stuff that makes a noticable difference. am i going to notice a difference in one headphone amp and another that costs $500 more ??? why would i spent $2000 more on a better pair of studio monitors? the point about room treatment is that no matter how good your amp, speakers, input/source, etc ... you're still going to have the same fundamental problems unless you give your room some treatment. headphones are nice, but i cant listen to music with friends or really jam out with headphones on. they have a time and a place, but majority of listening for me is via speakers. and as ive bitched about a few times in this thread, you guys seem only to view polar extremes: either no treatment or all, or treated like a million dollar studio. hell, even if you dont want to do bass traps and dont want to tame any room modes, you could still install 2 acoustic panels for mids/highs at early/first reflection points that make noticeable differences in your sound. to anyone saying they enjoy their listening setup with "all of its flaws" - then why are you buying better speakers/amps/etc? why are you listening on a 1200 instead of some shitty numark table with shit cartridge? wild misconceptions about room treatments. it's just another link in the chain. the whole point was that it's diy and $50 will get you noticeable sound quality upgrade. what else in your system can you upgrade for $50 and get real results? |
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I wonder if Elusive will ever marry? |
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Because, just as a warning, the ladies tend to take control of the furnishings and decoration, and I don't think they'll put up with you wedging styrofoam under the bed and angling asbestos panels on top of the wardrobe just so Ceephax cancels his own bass wave out. |
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hahaha! |
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I don't think anyone outright disagreed with you in this thread, they just didn't seem to think it was worth as much of a rant as you did. Eventually you seemed to get really worked up, and some people started trolling. |
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do you read my posts with a voice inside your head that sounds frantic, or something? |
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lol, isn't it like if you have like close area monitors, like the type of speakers that are just one meter away from you, it doesn' t matter a fuck. it's like talking about vibrations in mach speeds, but you first need to learn how to fly n shit, |
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he's got more pc vs mac threads killed than anyone on the internet |
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terence, no - being near field doesnt immune yourself from acoustic issues. especially re: the low end... my setup is near-field because my computer setup is my listening spot - and my home is quiet small. |
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Many people wrongly believe that using near-field monitor speakers avoids the need for acoustic treatment. In truth, even with small loudspeakers playing softly, acoustic interference still causes standing waves - the imperfect frequency balance is exactly the same but at a lower level. Although higher frequency reflections and echoes are proportionately reduced as you get closer to the loudspeaker, the skewed frequency response caused by low frequency reflections remains. Likewise, adding a subwoofer will not fix problems that are due to poor room acoustics. While a subwoofer can be useful to compensate for inadequate loudspeakers, it will not solve the problem of an irregular response caused by acoustic interference. In fact, a subwoofer often makes matters worse by compounding and hiding the real problem. |
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Another common misconception is that equalization can be used to counter the effects of acoustic problems. But since every location in the room responds differently, no single EQ curve can give a flat response everywhere. Over a physical span of just a few inches the frequency response can vary significantly. Even if you aim to correct the response only where you sit, there's a bigger problem: It's impossible to counter very large cancellations. If acoustic interference causes a 25 dB dip at 60 Hz, adding that much boost with an equalizer to compensate will reduce the available volume (headroom) by the same amount. Such an extreme boost will increase low frequency distortion in the loudspeakers too. And at other room locations where 60 Hz is already too loud, applying EQ boost will make the problem much worse. Even if EQ could successfully raise a null, the large high-Q boost needed will create electrical ringing at that frequency. Likewise, EQ cut to reduce a peak will not reduce the peak's acoustic ringing. EQ cannot always help at higher frequencies either. If a room has ringing tones that continue after the sound source stops, EQ might make the ringing a little softer but it will still be present. However, equalization can help a little to tame low frequency peaks (only) caused by natural room resonance, as opposed to peaks and nulls due to acoustic interference, if used in moderation |
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You seemed to be writing fairly frantic. It read like you were getting pissed off. I can't assume what other people thought from your posts, but it appears they read it the same way. |
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Mac vs PC threads are usually stillborn. |
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Then again, mac users generally hate arguments that don't start with "Hello I'm a mac...". No amount of reason works with people that base their arguments on an advertising campaign. |
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wat |
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Not wanting to give anyone a reason to troll, here is an excellent thread in gearsluts with someone documenting their diy . Here is another thread by the same person, documenting how they built their . I am in the process of customizing my desk, so I have been looking at a lot of this stuff lately. |
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I sold my Dynaudio monitors months ago, and now I use cheap shit shit speakers (well, SoundSticks II dildo speakers and sub). However, I'm having the most fun I've had in years with my music! After selling my monitors, I realized that I was spending way too much energy in the past few years on perceived texture- all sorts of lush ear-candy shit- but it really fucked me over with regard to free-flow of composition. Like constantly polishing an unfinished marble statue. When I re-buy monitors in the future, I gotta remember to not really care so much... Fuck. Who the fuck cares? So many people on gear slutz with awesome setups who can't write music worth shit. |
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"Who the fuck cares? So many people on gear slutz with awesome setups who can't write music worth shit." citation? here comes that 'holier than thou' shit --- you had a realization you can make good music with shitty monitors ... so now you need to go around preaching your new found way of life to everyone ... and bitch about anyone with a proper setup who isn't making music you like. great attitude, m8. tax, i suggest just reading through all the threads every day/week/etc...you'll learn a shit-ton just reading about other people's problems and the recommended solutions. the diy stuff is very accessible. |
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haven't browsed anything else on that forum - the studio subforum keeps me more than busy. |
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"citation?" Well there's a lot of amazing mixing examples, but just find anyone's music page who's in that setup thread. Composition is not up to par with superficialities. And that's a main point- with art output, superficialities and depth-of-content are seemingly related, but the ability of one to enhance the other, is primarily illusion. A nice pencil's ability to make someone draw better, only goes so far. "here comes that 'holier than thou' shit --- you had a realization you can make good music with shitty monitors ..." I wrote that the process is now more fun for me; the whole point being that we all get caught up in acquiring what we think will help us improve whatever output, but it's ironic that a lot of that can easily hinder the process itself. Look at the whole hd-cam scene- tons of people spending thousands on gear, with only test shots of fences and flowers to show-- all that shit didn't help filmmaking one bit. And in my last post, only the last line refers to others. I wrote mostly of my personal experience and gave no recommendation of lifestyle. The grass is green on both sides, even though it rarely seems that way. Just fun internet post; but also maybe something for those who actually have as mediocre a setup as I do. If you were sincere about thinking that I was trying to preach someshit, then please re-read my last post. |
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"Well there's a lot of amazing mixing examples, but just find anyone's music page who's in that setup thread. Composition is not up to par with superficialities. And that's a main point- with art output, superficialities and depth-of-content are seemingly related, but the ability of one to enhance the other, is primarily illusion. A nice pencil's ability to make someone draw better, only goes so far. " your logic holds no water. therefore, only people with true music abilities should be able to own nice studio monitors or care about room treatment etc. just because they have a nice setup doesn't mean it's for recording only - it could be for listening such as my case. i dont understand why you give a shit or two if someone has a nice setup but can't make good music. i could say the same about cars and driving abilities ... understanding of vehicle dynamics, etc... why should you be able to own a sports car if you don't understand lift-off-oversteer? |
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no one expects someone with nice equipment to automatically churn out natural musical capabilities, regardless of previous input. im not sure who you're even arguing to with statements like that; it's fairly obvious and not needed to be said as it's pre-understood. |
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So, the Jivver vs Elusive argument broke me after about the 6th reply. This thread failed. |
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My logic holds water within the context for which it's intended. I wrote NOTHING anti-nice-setup. NOTHING You're reading too much into things that I didn't even write. |
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Here is a summary of my "orig post", edited to emphasize its intention: I re-found the ability to focus primarily on music composition, after parting with studio monitors. The monitors did help me hear amazingly, but- in my case specifically- it ended up hindering my compositional ability, as I focused too much on texture. Using my newer, consumer-level speakers, I am unable to hear subtle nuances in tonality, which inadvertently took away the possibility for me to focus on such details. And so, I am now left with only the core of my music to worry about, which has greatly improved the efficiency and joy of music making, for me. |
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i wasn't replying to that. i was replying to: " So many people on gear slutz with awesome setups who can't write music worth shit. " |
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Have you tried DUBturbo? First of all: This software is very easy to use, that you can make your music right away without any skills. |
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hahaha. I can feel a xlt meme being born. |
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OK, the software might not be advanced enough for you hardcore members. I know that. But the newsletter targeted more than 10,000 members, so perhaps a few like the offer. We'll see. cheers |
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