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Great! Don't post again and don't make another dupe. Have the strength of UG. Good bye Barcode. ps. don't reply |
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Concepts or states of being like self-awareness; emotions like anger and love; other concepts such as philosophy, religion, civic and social order are deemed illusory. Existing only as a byproduct of thought. Thought which exists only as some biological occurrence, not really part of nature (because nature is only interested in physical survival, sustenance and reproduction), so an evolutionary burp, a hiccup. Full of concepts that don't actually mean anything in a hardwired, cosmic, real universe kind of way, they just mean what we decided they should as we went along daydreaming them up. So, the negative consequences of thought such as war, oppression, etc. are all in vain, and we would all do better if we wouldn't think about philosophy and religion, right and wrong, love, hate, social order or anything above my big natural 3. Just quit the game. F it. It's not real. Here, folks, is a pitfall and delusion of naturalism. I can't test it in my little laboratory so it doesn't exist. Well the thing is we already know (and have discussed on here) that we do not have physical evidence of consciousness. We can watch activity in the brain but it is like examining an engine without addressing what fuel is or where it comes from. So, of course all ideas and concepts would be elusive as well, because they are subcomponants of our consciousness. Consciousness is real though, because we can experience and test its effects. Like a black hole, we can "see" it in its environment. All of our thoughts, ideas and concepts must also be considered in this way. Therefore, until UG can prove that consciousness is nothing beyond a physical process, he is in no way qualified to know for sure that thoughts, ideas and concepts have no greater meaning. Not from a purely naturalistic perspective anyway, all things considered. |
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I mean how many of you would agree that math is real? It's not just something people kind of came up with as a big catch all to explain distances, weights, degrees etc. which were just random observed properties of nature that have only incidental relationships to one another. no, it is actually real. as real as gravity, is math, but how the f do you test for math? we can document how we weigh something, or how we measure it. we can document how something multiplies, or divides. we can use complex algorithms to process data and simulate intelligence. But what about the concept that all of those observations have a cohesive form beyond just being a categorical sum of all of the parts, (why do the parts that make the sum of "math" have commonalities and relationships that would make people group them together in the first place?) Explain the relationship. What is math? I am going to take the BOC vote and say that math, as something that has identity beyond just that assigned by human concept, has observable relationships between its divisions and is an integral part of the entire macrosystem of reality. Math is real. |
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please stop using the internet and make more music |
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ug would say, "shut your shitbox". nice post glasse. |
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If one can be afected by material stuff so that one must be material too. If it is not material it canot be afected, because particles dont interact with emptynes. So thoughts is real too, because they can be effected by chemicals, electrochemical reactions, neurotic trasmiters... We all are just pupets of the nature, there is no such thing as free will. There is such level that we exist with nature as one being. |
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tru |
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"Lay off cygnus. What's he done wrong?" Sorry i guess only you, cygnus and cx can take part in this wankfest. So, tough guts, you need to be banned in order not to come here? |
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And no one's done anything wrong ff's. Also i don't mind quotes at all, preferably with quotation marks. Right, my turn. Who's drinking what? |
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quantum entanglement! |
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I don't have any. Sounds like quite the cocktail. |
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