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The investigation will lead them here lol. FREE OINK INVITES |
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Only if you are a communist. |
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Do you think that having property on something intangible is natural? the only natural way to do it is to keep it to yourself. it is also contradictory with many fundamentals of capitalism, what is intellectual property if not a legal MONOPOLY on a certain good? |
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Can you see the nekked wimmin? |
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Video of thebust: the official shirt: |
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"demonstrating music or software". Such a loop hole. Intellectual property isn't made out of thin air. Music albums, scientific information, whatever it may be requires investment and time. Its just unfortunate for musicians that their product can be made intangible. |
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It's a loop-hole if you think it's fair that everyone should be forced to buy something before testing it out. unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. |
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You're not forced to buy anything. |
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high time |
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I think a lot of people demonstrate stuff but never delete it. Please, how many people actually go out and buy the CD or software if they like it? |
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no, but you're forced to buy things before being able to try them out, in most cases. See what happens when you take things out of context? |
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it's surprising to me that there are so many people resistant (if they are being honest) to the idea of ownership of the intangible. just because a physical performance can be captured and converted to data does not mean that anyone should be able to freely distribute that data. what about proprietary scientific information? what about recipes, formulas? the real but intangible data *represent* real, tangible things: information, instruction, stimuli, experience. the ability to reproduce and distribute data doesn't grant you the right to do so. in the case of digitally encoded entertainment, devices allow you to translate the data into a physical reproduction of the musical performance. if you want the device, you have to pay for it. if you want the data to convert to a physical experience with that device, you have to pay for it. if you want energy to power the device, you have to pay for it. the reason that "intangible" digital media have value (and can be owned) is because it takes energy and time to produce it and people want it. the fact that it is "intangible" in digital form is moot. you can't just substitute "invite" for "subscription" and "donation" for "payment" and insist you've done nothing wrong. that's exactly the kind of doublethink that you'd take anyone else to task for. how do you defend thievery? you simply give it another name. or maybe you say, "i did nothing wrong, i simply provided the resources for one person to transfer data (that they did not have the legal right to transfer) to another person." but if someone steals a car, and you use your resources to hook them up with a buyer, you are participating in a crime, whether or not the thief of the car or the buyer "donates" money to you. it's fine if you want to give your music away for free. but it's a little too easy to simply decide for everyone else on the planet that *their* music should be free also. it's not just "passion" that went into that "art." it's a lot of work, time |
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You're still not *forced* to buy it though. If you can't try it out and that makes you unhappy, don't buy it. I imagine most albums you can "try out" in terms of reading reviews, listening to samples and downloading copies off of p2p networks. What constitutes "trying out" an album? Keeping a free copy of it for an unspecified amount of time to "try out" on long country walks, on the way to work, in the car, on a variety of stereos, on an iPod, in a mix, at a party, after a decade of contemplation... then you say "Oh no, no this isn't working out for me". What did people do before p2p, you know, when music was any good? I guess everybody just bought Phil Collins and it's only this generation that discovered Kraftwerk. |
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They listened to the radio. That used to be "trying out". |
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a lot of people just like to download and store as much music/movies/software as possible and not worry to much about what it actually is that they're downloading. The more rare it to find is the more fun. It's a bit like a combination of fishing and collecting stamps. |
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omg i would be very sad if they shut down soulseek.i hope they eat donuts all day |
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I suppose I should have specified that I do not keep the files for long, because you're right, I did not state what constitutes "trying out" an album. While I suppose I operate on a fairly loose schedule when it comes to these things, I can't think of a single album I've kept longer than a month that I didn't end up purchasing. After roughly a month, I can usually tell if the song/album in question is good or has the potential to grow on me. In most cases, I delete songs/games after much less time than that, usually keeping them only long enough to decide if they are to my liking. This might not be what the recording industry bigwigs would have me do, but it reduces money squandered on games and music I don't really enjoy, which is nice, considering I'm on a budget. I know what I do would be similar to demanding to taste every piece of a pie before purchasing it, or any other number of suitable comparisons would work. Basically, you're right, it's not altruistic or admirable, but I feel it's a step in the right direction from just downloading everything in sight without a single cent ever changing hands. |
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Everything should be free. A society based upon money is corrupt. A society based upon free exchange of ideas, music, film... recipes, scientific data, formulae, is truly a free society. Otherwise you have a society run by lawyers, such as the American society. And who in their right mind would want that? |
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Are you serious? |
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Absolutely. |
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Get out of here!! You can't be serious. |
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right on! we need to start moving towards something like the united federation of planets a la star trek. |
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Absolutely, ,serious am I. |
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I believe you then. I like looking at your pictures. Talk to later! |
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Ciao bella. |
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Im with marlowe on this one.. If ideas were freely exchanged (such as scientific ones), perhaps some of Tesla's energy ideas could've made it out to the public by now. Imagine that..self-sufficient individuals no longer slaves to power companies. It would change everybody's perspective on work vs leisure i think, everybody could make music/art if they wanted |
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Even a society based on free exchange of goods and ideas isn't truly free. One still has to work to provide a service or good to be able to exchange for the other things one needs. No matter how you look at it, money/goods/services require work. Work requires time, and therefore time is money. Even if we eliminate monetary exchange, we still must pay the cost of time spent. The only way a society such as this is truly free is if no one has to work. |
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Hey, what do you think technology is there for? We have the technology now to eliminate a lot of things we needlessly do. The workforce is a requirement of the employers, not of society itself. |
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Fair enough. To be honest, I'm all for a society based on those ideals. We're already so dependent on technology that if we lost our entire infrastructure now, we'd be so screwed that we might as well take it to the next level. What do you say, shall we stage a revolution? |
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Now its goingo to be ...FREE LIBBLE INVITES...lol |
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exactly, the second you incorporate things like that into society, its destined to be schismatic. |
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it's just that the fact that it's intangible makes it ridiculous for you to claim you own it. in the case of physical objects you can own it by guarding it (or trusting the state to protect your right to have it) but in the case of intangible things the only way you can truly own it is by keeping it secret. intellectual property is something created by lawyers, and as so, the idea of it varies from state to state, as well as the degree the state of law is willing to protect it. there;s is also the obvious difference that if i steal an object from you, then you don;t have that object anymore. but if if I "steal" an idea from you then you can still use it. |
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what's oink? |
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It's the onomatopoeic representation of the grunting noise of a pig. |
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Aren't you writing a book? How do you like the idea of it being published for free? You used a figure of speech so I remember it. |
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I would be overjoyed that people would be so interested in my work that they would download it to read. I also make music and the same applies. In the olden days, composers made very little money from the selling of their compositions and I've not heard anything of the calibre of a Mozart, a Bach, or a Beethoven in this day to warrant the crazy money these bozos have the audacity to demand. The olden day composers made their money from recitals and that's where a lot of money still currently resides. |
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i hope i can catch a good recital soon. |
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I'm sure all those engineers, producers, technicians, publicists and the rest all agree they shouldn't have any money either. |
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Sure, there's always a nice symphony or concerto to catch at the local music hall. |
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How was OINK better than Soulseek? |
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well, for starters, when you downloaded a file from oink, you actaully connected to it (at high speeds) rather than waiting in a queue for Beelze-fucking-bub knows how long. |
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Only to have the user go off-line for three days half-way through getting the first file. |
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haha, exactly. |
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OiNK was better than soulseek when it comes to quality! Minimum bitrate of 192kbps, lots of lossless formats available and no fakes, transcodes or any mess like that. Everything was very tidy and neat. And the availability of rare/out of print/hard to get releases was better than I've ever seen elsewhere. I found stuff there that I had been searching for for almost 20 years... |
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the end of oink has done you well, so it seems. that's the second "spot on" in one thread. |
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