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:D That's probabaly how it would pan out. Now, why the hell did I move to south america? |
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amercian "culture"..I think you mean pop culture because actual culture in America is overshadowed by the former here as well. As for grammar, we are operating by the same rule book and we are not changing the meaning of things. Pants instead of trousers, etc...yes, perhaps..Also, product such as American pop culture, or any product for that matter, will not thrive without a demand. So europeans can only blame themselves. |
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who cares about slight differences in spelling and wording? just because there is a difference doesnt mean that one style is better and one is worse. it doesnt really annoy me that yanks say color and shit like that. as long as you can still understand eachother. |
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Can you really tell when someone is "saying" color vs. colour? |
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say = write gew = few |
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You know, we talk about the integrity of the English language, but what is really funny is that if we were placed in a time machine back to the 1500-1600's in either the UK or the USA. Both Brits and Americans probably couldn't understand anyone. Shakespearean era English would be very foreign to all of us. Kind of like watching an episode of deadwood. |
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I already told you, I've stopped pathetically hating American English, seen as it's just another dialect of English. You DO change the grammar and meaning of things. let's take on the back of a cd. Say there's a song, "Blue Notes". Then at the end, there's a song "Blue Notes (Alternate Take)". That should be alternative. Alternate is a verb, meaning to switch from one to another. Alternative means "the other". It's stuff like this that's annoying. Screwing up the language. Color/Colour, who cares. This, however, is completely stupid. As is being asked to 'disembark the plane'. |
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Ok, here is a british dictionary with an isp in the uk "Alternate take" is being used as an adjective and it is being used in complete compliance with the definition drawn from |
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Bogala et al, I should remind you that Redrum isn't a 'limey'... |
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Correct, he's a, "bog dwelling potato muncher", if you want to be playfully rascist. |
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Yeah. and it's listed as US english: US (UK alternative) An alternate plan or method is one that you can use if you do not want to use another one. |
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No, "alternating" is listed as US english. Then it goes on to display the uk version being used in the exact same way that you were complaining about. |
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Actually, I have no idea why that 3rd option is there. |
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All I know is that its a bloody adjective, its british, its being used correctly and you are wrong. |
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No.. No it's not What the fuck are you on about? Can you even read? alternate adjective {before noun} 1 with first one thing, then another thing, and then the first thing again: - a dessert with alternate layers of chocolate and cream 2 If something happens on alternate days, it happens every second day: - Private cars are banned from the city on alternate days. 3 US (UK alternative) An alternate plan or method is one that you can use if you do not want to use another one. alternating adjective - alternating moods of anger and sadness It says "US (UK equivilant is 'alternative')" beside #3 in the second section of the page - the section that is referring to "alternate adjective {before noun} " ... ADJECTIVE It refers to US English nowhere else on the page, so I don't have a fucking clue why you're saying alternating is listed as US English. It's a bloody adjective in US English, not in British English. |
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No, Can you read? I made a mistake on "alternating".. My eyes were playing tricks on me with the bad html. The third definition of alternate being used as an adjective, on this British online dictionary, is in regards to the context of using the word to say "alternate plan or method" versus the British way of saying "alternative plan or method"....THE POINT is that "alternate" can be used as an adjective and is normal in British English and when you say "Alternate take" you are not using American English as you are using the same grammar when saying "alternate layers"or "alternate days" which was your original gripe. |
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I can't believe this, i really can't believe this. The third definition of alternate being used as an adjective, on this British online dictionary, is in regards to the context of using the word to say "alternate plan or method" versus the British way of saying "alternative plan or method" yes, correct.. However, here's where the problem with using "alternate" as an adjective comes in. There's an ambiguity in "alternate plan or method" that doesn't exist in "alternative plan or method". Which is why I don't like American English - Why not just use the word "alternative" instead of clouding the meaning of a sentence? THE POINT is that "alternate" can be used as an adjective and is normal in British English and when you say "Alternate take" NO. FUCKING NO. Get that through your head. In British English, one says "alternative". As in, alternative take, alternative plan or alternative method. Alternate can be used as an adjective in British English in either of these ways, as the dictionary has already spelled out for you: 1 with first one thing, then another thing, and then the first thing again: - a dessert with alternate layers of chocolate and cream 2 If something happens on alternate days, it happens every second day: - Private cars are banned from the city on alternate days. Alternate days = Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday. Do you understand? when you say "Alternate take" you are not using American English as you are using the same grammar when saying "alternate layers"or "alternate days" which was your original gripe. You're using the same grammar, the same noun phrase construction, yes. but the meaning of 'alternate' is completely fucking different. Alternate take = alternative take. Alternate layers = with first one thing, then another thing, and then the first thing again. Alternate days = every second day. this was all already spelled out for you in the dictionary page. do you fucking u |
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*do you fucking understand now? |
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When you are right you are right. I see the light now. Thanks |
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Or should I say. When you are write you are rite. |
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Im going to make a point now not to use alternate in place of alternative. I feel like a fucking idiot now. |
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In their defence, I don't think the Americans so readily display such pedantry. |
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i prefer colour to color, or behaviour to behavior. i don't like the "r" sound in Am Eng. i don't like american over-simplifying style. "floor" looks and sounds better than "storey", or "underground" better than "subway". but North America gave us many great artists, and when i say North i also mean Canada and think of Skinny Puppy. |
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is the real problem globalisation? |
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or globalization? |
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damn, now we have to alternatives |
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*two *ducks* |
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too much UK/US english talk. what about irish english ? |
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i only hate america because i love it too |
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and not just movies and stuff, but the whole american spirit, as displayed in certain movies |
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From the Oxford English Dictionary: A. adj. Done or changed by turns, coming each after one of the other kind. So it's still not an adjective though? I can't post a link as I had to log in through my University account, but trust me, it's ctrl+v. |
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in british english it is, of course, as outlined by my previous posts and that dictionary entry. basically, what doesn't fly in british english is using 'alternate' when you mean 'alternative'. that's the easiest way of putting it. and my problem with using it as a synonym for 'alternative' is that not only is there no need, but it creates ambiguity, as pointed out with an example in one of my previous posts. as for ezkeralldean's post, what about hiberno-english? well, i love it. it has great character to it, character that American-English lacks, but that Ebonics, for example, has. do you get what I mean? |
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oh, and last night i thought of something that i absolutely love about american culture (adoring jazz and blues and the musical/cultural revolution they brought about goes without saying, but i may as well state it obliquely here in parentheses) - classic american muscle cars. being an environmentalist, i hate what they are.. ie, gas guzzling, highly polluting and inefficient machines.. but aesthetically i find them absolutely beautiful.. chevvy corvettes, camaros, stingrays, dodge vipers, chargers, challengers, oldsmobiles.... they're absolutely gorgeous cars.. i really wish a car manufacturer would bring out a "greener" car with the design of a classic 60s/70s muscle car. I don't know why they don't: I'm sure there's a market for them. this came to me last night after i arrived home drunk from jimmy edgar and spent a good hour drooling over pictures of these cars on ebay with a friend. |
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That isn't what made it click for me. Its using alternate as an adj only when referring to a repetitive sequence. Alternative isn't part of a sequence. It is a misuse of the word. I came in with guns blazing (I am American after all). Basically, because other than my grandmother, nothing annoys me more than British arrogance towards Americans. I don't know why. The rest of Europe I couldn't care less about in that sense. Its something I have to work on. It's a journey. |
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For some reason they have to make hybrid cars the most ugly vehicles ever produced. |
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forever twatface |
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you'd have a point if redrum himself wasn't overly agressive and/or teeth grindingly pedantic in most of his posts, including the ones in this "debate". |
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can somebody recap this thread into two, maybe three, pretty sentences for me, please? |
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redrum's bitter that a lot of his countrymen hotfooted it over to The States. |
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weren't native americans killed mainly by disseases? (source: guns, germs and steel) |
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redrum redrum redrum redrum redrum redrum |
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i like redrum :) |
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Smiley |
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re-drum and no bass |
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maybe they should. |
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a lovely little slice of american culture, taken from a BBC4 Storyville titled 'Why We Fight'. "don't stop believing!" |
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redrum what's your favorite brand of cigarette? |
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benson & hedges, "gold", as they're called here. 30 a day, severe pains in my right lung, time to quit |
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