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and it took you how long to fish that joke out of your asshole? |
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so creating this idea is not a reaction to the words? what, then, does the creation of this idea come from? do you just create it at random in your head and then start objecting to it, or was it a result of you hearing certain words and then interpreting them (which you were forced to do, btw)? and sentences are most definately not always transparent. of course some of them are, but there are more than enough ambiguous sentences around.. it's hard for me to think some up in english, but I believe you should be able to find some of your own (if you are indeed a native english speaker, that is)... right now I can only come up with a rather silly example, "it's a pilot!" which could mean both that something is a person who knows how to fly an airplane and that it is a "test-episode"/first episode of a tv-show. of course, this one would be clearer in a real life situation, and I may come up with a better example if I get some time.. the ones I can think up in norwegian won't translate... |
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i'm so glad i caught this reply (even though i'm not sure what it means but knowing the belch, it is probably a good retort of some sort) because i'm about to leave. |
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I actually thought of it yesterday but I wasn't sufficiently motivated to type it out. |
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If you don't beleive Racism is a wide spread, try to donate some money to that starving white country I see on the news all the time ... OH WAIT it doesn't exist. "What does that have to do with Racism?" Well, the fact that most don't care about anything that doesn't live on thier own soil could be one thing ... |
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that's called conditioned response. I don't really think I need to say more... you can train yourself not to flinch when poked with a needle, but that doesn't mean you aren't reacting to being poked; your response is doing nothing, you're not ignoring the pain and the army man isn't ignoring the words he's quite simply reacting by not doing anything in particular. |
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oh, they do.. words force you into interpreting them and reacting to them. you can silently agree or disagree or fail to understand what is being said, prompting a question (usually "what?").. if you hear a word, you react and it's not like you're reacting to nothing, is it? you're reacting to the word you're reacting to... |
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We've come a long long way together, Through the hard times and the good, I have to celebrate you baby, I have to praise you like I should I have to praise you I have to praise you I have to praise you I have to praise you like I should |
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Maybe Phobiazero could set up some sort of competition where you win exclusive Hanal artwork if you can prove you've read this entire painful thread. |
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you're asking me to backtrack to a degree that's not possible. i've obviously not made myself entirely clear. by transparent, i mean that the individual is not actively aware of the process. when i say you operate a transparent belief, i mean that you operate it without being aware of the operation. if you doubt the existence of transparent beliefs, i'd recommend reading up on disorders of personality. i apologize for any frustration or confusion i've engendered, but as much as i would like to respond to the issues you raise, i can do no more than a very quick sketch as i am at work and filling in occasional gaps with xltronic. i'm operating a model that is significantly different than the model you are operating, and until we each get a better idea of each of those models we're going to continue to talk past each other. |
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amazing the courage a drink can give you, isn't it? |
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bog_delch can you handle this plaidzebra can you handle this d_mastah can you handle this I don't think they can handle this |
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come on, dm, we're not talking about *any* reaction. we're talking about getting upset, getting angry. of course you can't stop yourself from "understanding" words. and being poked with a needle is entirely different from being spoken to... |
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Chill out guys, you are getting into philosophical ideas that have been fought over endlessly. These words are becoming off topic. |
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*officially fails to handle this* |
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but he started it!!! |
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decide what your point is, cause it's not been so clear in this thread so far. |
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what you said. racism is a bigger problem, bigger than this mboard. |
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it was asserted that individuals have no choice but to react to some words with anger and by being upset. i'm paraphrasing one position. my point is that you can change your mind. words are tools to transmit ideas, and you can change how you feel about those ideas. you're reacting to ideas, and beliefs, not the words. you can reject an idea. you can change how you feel, and you are not powerless in the face of words. this is why i say words are harmless. i'm not saying it's always easy to change your mind, because you've been trained to react instantly to words and ideas. but i think it's in everyone's best interests to resist reacting reflexively to words and ideas (by becoming upset or angry). |
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My elementary school Principle had a brother who was a famous white supremacist author who wrote that the holocost never happened. If you can only imagine how fun it was for my Columbian brother to attend this school not knowing much english ... This was in the 1980's so there was no NEW-AGE TREAT KIDS WITH COMPASSION trends yet. This is going to sound really fake, but this is true, my brother once spit on the school playground and was brought to the office. The principle forced him to fill an entire bucket of spit as a punishment. I don't think he finished the whole bucket it, but he was in the office for a while. The fucker made me sit in MUD once and some of the comments the teacher made to other students or different ethnic backgrounds were so ... whitetrash that if I had any idea about any north american laws at that age (5) I'd surely whould have done something about it. Anyone else have some stories of Racism? |
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1.the subject is really racism, not expressing yourself. 2.do you have many friends offline ? |
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STOP FIGHTING. |
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in the fucking RACISM thread, for fuck sakes. |
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when i was in university a group of african american students stormed the offices of the school newspaper demanding that an african-american student be installed on the editorial staff. they argued that the fact that there were no african-american students on the editorial staff was proof that the newspaper was racist. the people who were on the editorial staff were there because they had applied for the position. no african-american students had applied to work on the editorial board. in my dormitory there was an african-american student who had mostly friends who were white. most other african-american students at this school would not associate with him because he didn't act "black" enough. they called him an "oreo," black on the outside, and white on the inside. my roommate was half "white", half "hispanic." because of his racial heritage, he was accepted at the university even though his grades and ACT test results were far below the ordinary standards for acceptance. he was a middle class kid and was not disadvantaged socially or economically. |
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so you're saying that i shouldn't respond to issues that are brought up by other people? what are you, the thread police, on the lookout for unacceptable digressions? why not read the thread yourself, and discern why this conversation is relevant to a discussion of racism. i would not say i have many friends offline, but i do have friends offline. i would probably say that i don't have any friends online, since i post mainly inbetween this and that at work, not at home, and i generally don't frequent places that people visit to chat online. thanks for taking an interest. |
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i never thought for once that i was fighting. |
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So you chose to pick up on those things but conveniently ignored all the shit pulled by white people. RACISM my friend, RACISM. |
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i had a black lecturer at my studies and he was the most racist person i've met. i really mean the racism problem can't beat the african kids starving problem. |
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i hope you're not thinking i'm attacking you. |
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so you want personal stories from my youth about when white people shat upon minorities unfairly due to racist motivations? if i had such stories, i'd tell them. my parents raised me to absolutely reject racism. i've never interacted much with racist people. never did i say that my *personal* experiences represented or reflected the world at large. you're just nitpicking because you have no ideas of your own and are not capable of much more than mildly amusing insults. |
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The newspaper story is a good example of extreme (and ignorant) action that really does more damage then good. And probably skewed people’s perspective of that group of people at your faculty. The Oreo thing happens a lot. Segregation isn't just a Caucasian mentality. There does tend to be favorable opportunities for different ethnic backgrounds in North America. Where the persons heritage tends to be a gimmick that what ever institution wants to associate themselves with. Like we all have our GAY friend, and our BLACK friend, and our JAPANESE friend. I totally agree that this happens very often where someone is favored for these reasons. I think it is the ignorance that does the damage (or boosts) the ego. What do you think? |
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you seemed to be implying i have no friends offline, which seems an unkind thing to say. you didn't seem to reply constructively to anything i said. you implied that i was discussing "expressing yourself" instead of the issue at hand, which is inaccurate. contrasted with dog_belch, however, you seem a reasonably mild mannered and not unfriendly person. |
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...so there's no black or white, there's only GREY. if you're white and if you walk into a black hood/district you're fucked anyway. racism works on both sides. no matter who started the whole thing. |
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Racism isn't just a white thing you are 100% right. And I am not the thread police, I have no badge. |
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I have to be careful cause I don't have the FOLLOW UP option so by not directing my responces correctly things might be taken the wrong way heh. Sorry, I'm not trying pick on anyone, at any point please don't think I am trying to dish out low blows. |
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you make some very good points. for me, the essence of racism is viewing an individual of any race as a representative of their collective perceived race. it seems like you can't take pride in your racial heritage without pushing away people who don't share your racial heritage. why take pride in something that you have no control over and didn't contribute to in any way? and what about people who are neither "hispanic" or "black" or "white"? are they expected to only identify with people with their precise racial heritage? you have to work at seeing the whole person, and not just the "blackness" or "gayness" or "bald" or "handicapped." |
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the thread police comment was directed at obara. |
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i'm a very friendly person, no matter what my posts would suggest. none of my posts are meant to bring harm to anyone cause it's just the inter-net. right now i'm listening to Air\moon safari\Air - New Star in the Sky.mp3 and i feel very much at peace with myself and the universe. |
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heheh |
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I'm just having a bit of fun, none of you people really exist, as long as I make myself laugh with my unfettered genius, who the hell cares? |
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we need more of you. go and have some kids. : ) |
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we ask only that you do your will. and i report enthusiastically that i have extremely compelling evidence that i do indeed exist. maybe you're smart for a dog, but any genius that you possess remains fettered. J/K LOL : ) : ) : ) |
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i just feel like txting my wife that i love her and stuff. should i do that ? i'll do it before you allow me to. *sends* |
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tell her we're all travelling to chile to prove to dan that we exist and to give him a xltronic group hug. |
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"for me, the essence of racism is viewing an individual of any race as a representative of their collective perceived race. " I totally agree. Stereo types (mostly fueled by TELEVISION and MOVIES) really can fuck over a person. The best example I can give would be the Muslim community. Most people have no idea what the difference between Islamist and Muslims are. Why? Because it wasn't a Will and Grace Episode yet. And there is a massive difference. "are they expected to only identify with people with their precise racial heritage? " They are expected to be able to identify with their own racial heritage. BUT sometimes it is very comforting to meet up with someone with the same background as you; I'll give you an example. When you meet a person in real life that listens to your favorite band (let's say Autechre). You tend to feel a bit more comfortable (for whatever physiological reason) talking and being around that person(s). The RACE isn't so much the catalyst of identification as much as it is the IDEA that someone is LIKE YOU that manifests into a relationship based (oh fuck here I go) on FACTOR X (race, music, hometown, website preference). "you have to work at seeing the whole person, and not just the "blackness" or "gayness" or "bald" or "handicapped."" I completely agree with you. |
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I'm really happy too see everone is getting along now :D Gotta do some homework now, I'm out! |
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i'm sure dan secretly knows that and loves xltronic no matter how harsh he expresses that love. oh wait i have some myspace message from slvax coming on, hopefully it's her pics! brb |
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god bless |
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Exactly, noi siamo fratelli e sorelle creati dallo stesso dio. |
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you'rre a racist. |
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