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since there hasn't been a revolution in america. since dubya returned for a second term. but before then even.. JFK anyone? actually i don't wanna get into this. i enjoyed loose change, thats it. |
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To bring up some issues already, only 25 minutes into the movie: The insurance to cover terroist attacks- wouldn't you want this if you were renewing your lease on one of the major landmarks in the biggest city in the most hated western country in the world? Do you think it would be normal for the biggest producer of commercial airliners to just give out engineering information about their planes to some 14-year-old kid who calls on the phone? I don't get it... Not to mention that I have no faith whatsoever in the credibility of this documentary. Suggestions: 1. Get a narrator who doesn't sound like Peter Brady from "The Brady Bunch." 2. Don't use music by DJ Skooly, Nick Tha 1Da, and Smoke, and 3. Don't act like you know everything about something which you don't. Get an expert to talk about this stuff. And to whoever said Wikipedia is the least reliable source of information, do you realize that they just SHOWED a page from that website in their documentary? Or did I just blow your mind? That just happened. |
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Loose Change is a great documentary that asks some important questions. I'm not saying that you should believe it all but there is undoubtedly something fishy about 9/11. Just watch it! And watch some of the other critical 9/11 docs asking similar questions.... |
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Something fishy is the wrong term for a controlled demolition of the world trade center with thousands of people inside it. That's called, "Hey, I'm fucking nuts and I'll believe ANYTHING!!!" I'm sorry, but you're gonna have to show me more than a interview with a crazy janitor and windows breaking out due to the pressure of the collapse to convince me that this was a demolition. |
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What's with the attitude!? Look at the facts! A building like that won't come down in a few seconds because of a plane crash... |
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Nothing about why they couldn't have collapsed because of the fire or the crash was fact in that video. All they had were past instances where fire didn't collapse a building, and a plane didn't collapse a building, but no facts whatsoever. They just rely on contradictory claims about something that has never happened before, then inserted their conspiracy theory between them. I'm finished arguing about this, but just know that i think this is a load of utter bullshit that some kids came up with and decided to make a movie about. You can believe it all if you want and look silly the next time you bring it up, but personally, not going to happen. There were definately some things that didn't line up about what happened with those events, and we'll probably never know the whole truth, but to suggest conspiracies of this magnitude is stupid and irresponsible. |
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I'm tired of this discussion as well... but what I think is really irresponsible is to dismiss the material in LC and similar movies as "a load of utter bullshit that some kids came up with and decided to make a movie about". |
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believing in conspiracy based on loose chances in the same as religion, you'll never see the light in this lifetime |
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the building didn't come down "after a few seconds" wtf m8 yes, if i hear someone saying "omg you HAVE to see this vidfeo on 9/11" im going to puke. some people just want to believe there was someone/govbehind it scary |
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"in a few seconds" |
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My brother still believes in UFOs. That a government coverup is involved in every facet, a la whatever crap is talked about on shows such as Coast to Coast. He's pushing forty. It can be scary to hear him talk about it with such passion and belief. |
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they found thermate on the |
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A kid who works in the videostore was talking with his colleague about how mindblowing this was. He recommended it to me then managed to put 3 (of the wrong discs) into the box of a 4 disc box set. Speaks volumes about the intelligence and awareness of the sort of people who believe this. |
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i think it's (sortof) clear that many people knew about 9/11 before it happened, because of some obscure financial transactions the days before and the day it happened. the rest of the claims should be analysed by scientists. anyway... maddox posted a comment on this. it's funny as always. |
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ya beacuse you know the terrorist attack that happened sometime near 1993 if you were a billionaire and you just bought it would you insure it as soon as you could? i think so LOL fucking toolsheds you are as much as i hate -so-and-so- when you talk about this fucking topic it is insane be friends withsomeone who lost someone our whole company (exec board) was scheduled meetings that day they got re-scheduled you can all piss off you think of it as some fucking event talk or even TRY to talk to anyone FROM NY who fuking witnessed it who ran from the fucking clouds get a fucking CLUE, man respect |
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I think all the videos are going to be released sooner then we think with fantastic CG and other photoshopped fixes. "I think less energy should be spent trying to get people to take accountability for what happened, and more should be spent on figuring out healthy ways to deal with it. Its pretty much accepted that the US government had a bigger hand in the events than they are willing to admit." I totally agree, it's not like this is a surprise or anything. I think it is a good video, but pretty soon is going to be Debunked (with or truth or lies on or the other) very soon. If you guys havn't noticed, the past few TERROR attacks have been made by TEENAGERS or YOUNG MEN who spend a lot of time on the INTERNET watching CONSPIRACY VIDEOS. Now this isn't conspiracy, this is just common sense. Lets say you did pull a huge fucking scam like what loose change presents us with. Your going to try and AHEM DE FRANCHISE people who beleive this cause. So now the big trend is COMPUTER KIDS are a potential threat to our liberties. This helps the government fight their WAR on terror by arresting people as THREATS who pass around information like this and also help it helps BIG BUSINESS INTERNET PROVIDERS lobby to PRIVATIZE THE INTERNET. It's common sense, not conspiracy, if you were in their positions, what would be the most logical ways to mend these issue? But yeah the video was ok, but would be more creditable to the non beleivers if say, MORGAN FREEMAN or something narated. But the fact that it was to teenagers with some bad music by a guy name DJ whatever... kind of pisses in the punch bowl. |
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no idiot because of the financial trnasactions that happened the day before and the day itself. not because the building had insurance.. jeez. moron. |
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it's clear there was foreknowlege and it was let go ahead. it just pisses me off that documentaries like this one allege that bush or the bush administration had a direct role in the attack's planning.. |
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elusive - there are huge elements of the official story that are just not possible. i know if anyone i knew had been murdered that day i'd want to know the truth, and i think they would too... regardless of how much it scares you. |
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why is it so hard to believe that if you crash a 747 loaded with jet fuel into a building it might fall down? |
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it fell after burning for like 60 min and the other tower for like 100 min. most of the fuel burned up in the initial impact explosion. no other steelframed structures have ever collapsed from fire, even when burning for days (like the building in madrid last year). loads of people also reported explosions from inside the building. and what about building 7? it never got hit by an airplane and yet it collapses like it was a controlled demolition. check out . see the top middle collapsing first? that's how controlled demolitions are done. you blow up the central columns so that it pulls the sides onto itself, to minimize chance of damaging buildings around it and it leaves a nice pile of shit. we also have larry silverstein (owner of WTC1+2+7) admitting to have deliberatly destroyed it ("the smartest thing it to pull it"), . |
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plus the engineers that designed the buildings designed it so that the twin towers would take multiple passenger jet hits, it was a lattice work of steel |
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because they are designed not to. |
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the Titanic was designed to not sink. ok ok fine. it's so much easier to believe that a demolition team wired up both towers and building 7 during the building's off hours, then blew it up and are now keeping quiet about it. to cut steel they needed a special explosive made by nasa: from implosionworld.com Concrete columns are generally easier to destroy, and usually require a small amount of conventional dynamite packed into specially drilled holes. Steel beams, however, require a very high-velocity explosive to perform a 'cutting' action through the steel. A specialized explosive called RDX, made famous by NASA’s space program, is used to perform this task. This copper-encased explosive is physically attached to the beam, and upon detonation 'slices' at an incredible 27,000 feet per second. A small amount of conventional dynamite is also attached to the beam to 'kick' it out of place so the structure will fall uniformly, in a direction predesignated by the blaster. so yeah i believe that some guy at NASA sold them enough RDX to collapse the buildings and is also keeping quiet about it. that makes so much more sense. |
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professor Steven E. Jones from Scholars For 9/11 Truth come over some samples of the metal that was salvaged from the WTC wrecks and used to build these memorials sculptures that are scattered around the U.S. . he has found residue of thermite and thermate (sulphur+thermite) on all the samples he has recieved from people all over the States. thermite is used to cut large steel pieces. i recommend you to see his lecture on ! |
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the titanic didn't sink, the government hijacked the ship to do LSD experiments on the passengers even though LSD wasn't invented yet all the evidence is there... |
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umm contradictory argument right there, so RDX is needed to collapse a building yet with just plane fuel both towers fell? What's your take on why tower 7 collapsed? The owner admited it was brought down didn't he? |
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of why the towers fell. it doesn't require a mass consperiacy, or invisible demolition elves. |
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i read this thread yesterday, whoever mentioned the drum and bass soundtrack and the 25 year old commentator, that has prevented me from taking it seriously at all :) |
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i was just commenting on your own RDX comment. yeah ok it's a good one tho not a definitive study, it leaves open questions with attemps at answering them, also leaves some other doubts unanswered, like why the significant difference of time between getting hit by a plane and collapsing for each tower, this is an important question. still doesn't say anything about WTC7. still maybe a better answer is that there were explosives inside the towers? this could also part of the terrorist plan, it doesn't mean a mass conspiracy. Many people saw the events as something very hollywood-esque (plus/minus the word montage) like something that was made for the TV, eliminating the 'randomness' factor that should be observed in such events. |
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of course there are questions. i just find some of these 'answers' to be totally absurd/impossible. |
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thank you for the information. fuck bush in his dead ass. fuck all that he stands for. power and corruption. tv is americas most used and abused drug. |
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Some will never see what actually happened as they are blinded by disbelief, whatever proof will be established. To quote Quoth: "tv is americas most used and abused drug." This is written in an Aphex Twin vein, Come to Daddy |
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sorry to bump but this is intresting, though not shocking as we pretty much already knew how dodgy the WTC7 collaps was.. |
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