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it's when an actions consequences matter more than the persons intentions in performing the action to decide whether or not the action was a good one.. it is a very rationalistic way of thinking about ethics, and it also, as often happens with things like this, excludes the human element; it doesn't talk about good people, just good actions (actions with good consequences). I just took your "rational overrides emotional" thing up there and pulled an extended consequence of it. |
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not entirely, no. although i do believe their faith leads to actions that sometimes have unfortunate consequence, i do not believe that that alone is the reason that their faith is irresponsible... possibly even immoral. i think even the faith based actions that they take that result in fortunate consequences are still fundamentally flawed. |
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I think that guy on the xenu page makes a good distinction, actually.. he distinguishes between the organisation and the faith, and as with any religion or belief that you can adhere to, this is a justified distinction, as you can't hold the jew that lives down the street from you for what israel does to lebanon or the lebanese guy up the street for what hezbollah does to israel.. or any white guy for what slavers did to black slaves, etc.. are their belief immoral (both those christians you mentioned who don't like vaccines and the scientologists), or are some of the actions performed by their group immoral? |
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well, i mean, i lack the clarity of thought to definatively draw the line.. but, like i said, i think if your beliefs are based on some unverifiable (and/or falsifiable?) "faith" and especially if they contradict reason then i would say they are likely irresponsible beliefs. i think the argument can also be made that actions that fit those criteria are also immoral. |
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members --------------------------------------------------------- organisation there's the line. imagine a cult of the worst kind. you have the people up top who don't believe what they preach, but rather just use the cult to fuck young girls/boys (anally) and they also do lots of things to conceal the fact that they're doing this. they killed the mayor for gods sake!!! of course you can put a sort of blame on the people being tricked, but it's not the blame for the actions the people on top perform. |
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oh, i was talking about the line between simply uninformed or irresponsible and blatantly immoral. i mean, yeah, people can be mislead by an organization and i guess being fooled isn't as immoral as brainwashing people. but i still blame the catholics for abandoning reason, but yea the clergy for promoting it too. |
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oh, right... hahah, my bad is love reason? |
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love is a word that people use to symbolize an array of emotions. it is vague to the point of meaninglessness. |
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no, it is quite concrete, actually, it's just hard to define with other words than itself. and even if it seems vague to you.. is it reason? |
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hmm.. i think we're parting ways again. haha i don't believe in love as a singular concept, so i cannot answer the question of whether or not it is reason. it is a construct. an abstraction. it doesn't exist. :) |
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if we're going out "there," all things around you are constructs. nothing is what we have called it or what we classify it as. however, these are the only things we are capable of relating to, so they are, in a sense, the only real things. so if you had to choose love rational or irrational? |
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since I'm creating a dilemma that, to you, is false, I won't "use" what you say, I'm just curious. |
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well, it's not that i believe that emotions are not real. i just think that people often use word "love" to mean so many different things that simply saying that you "love" something is so vague, so ambigous that it is for all intents and purposes, meaningless. it requires further clarification or it can be interpreted to mean almost anything.. i mean, i wouldn't want to be a vulcan or anything. i think emotions add color to life. they ARE what make things "fun".... in fact, i think it is rational to want to have fun. and rational to desire someone. rational to want to be desired, etc.. |
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all words are ambiguous. I'm talking about what you feel for your wife or kids. |
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yeah, you may be right, but i think that word is more ambiguous than most. what i was getting at is that i don't think it has to be an all or nothing choice between rational thought and human emotion.. either to the extreme would be shit-tastic. |
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good |
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the main difference between a sect and a religion is only a matter of size, because they're all bullshit. |
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Scientology can suck my MFin' D. I read a big article about it several years back and I wasn't impressed. |
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