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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 20:18 [#01214490]
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no, maybe you should read what i said
it was clear, and concise and to the point
most importantly it got across exactly what i meant
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-29 20:20 [#01214492]
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oscillik.. you must be in the middle of some kind of academic computing (or more likely IT) course because you seem to have allowed the condescending, over-explanative style of writing that they encourge to spill over into normal discussions. Try to make them like this instead:
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-05-29 20:21 [#01214493]
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If you meant it in the context of what you appear to be inferring then it was a purile childish statement to make because the same comment can be said of every person in the world...everyone knows something that someone else of their choosing doesn't know.
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-05-29 20:23 [#01214494]
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-05-29 20:24 [#01214495]
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I would also like to point out, as you like to think of yourself as technically minded. that the result of the question you asked me would change the normal expected behaviour of a core component of the operating system interface, which is completely frowned upon by any self respecting developer.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 20:24 [#01214496]
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i am not currently taking an educational course which contains the teachings required to make a student capable with terms related to academic computing (or the more likely, IT).
i am however a ball of meat swimming in gravy, enclosed in a foil tin with a cardboard lid
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-05-29 20:25 [#01214497]
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OMG A TYPO. SHOoT ME.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 20:26 [#01214498]
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well actually no it wouldn't, you see because it doesn't change any "core component of the operating system interface" at all.
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-05-29 20:26 [#01214499]
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am not currently taking an educational course which contains the teachings required to make a student capable with terms related to academic computing
:)
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 20:26 [#01214500]
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i understood what you meant
i'm sure that being a gene-ass like yourself, people would forgive you one spelling mistake
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deepspace9mm
from filth on 2004-05-29 20:28 [#01214501]
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Q) Why did version 10.3.4 of the operating system cross the road?
A) I don't know. Fuck off.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 20:29 [#01214502]
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thank you :)
you're highlighting the importance of Mac OS X to this thread
it has nothing to do with the subject title of the thread, which still, no-one has answered
:(
oh well
i guess i'll have to make do with explorer.exe
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-05-29 20:29 [#01214503]
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Can't you just use netscape or something?
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-05-29 20:29 [#01214504]
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I said it changes the expected behaviour. If a user was to sit down at a machine you were working on to find that the icon wasn't showing in the dock would they, or would they not, be potentially confused?
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-29 20:32 [#01214505]
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You have to ask why the fuck are you looking for shell replacements for windows running on a virtual machine on a mac? WHY?
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 20:32 [#01214506]
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do you mean someone who is accustomed to using Mac OS X, or a Windows user?
because some say that a Windows user would be "potentially confused" just using the machine normally, wouldn't you say?
and if it was a user accustomed to Mac OS X then they would know that some programs that you can get for Mac OS X do NOT show up in the dock, because they have this "tweak" enabled by default
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 20:33 [#01214507]
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because LiteStep.exe back in 1998 used to be faster than explorer.exe, and i wanna squeeze as much speed out of the Virtual PC as possible for running things like floops
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-05-29 20:34 [#01214509]
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But surely they would be expecting...hmm, let's say System Monitor to be showing in the dock?
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 20:34 [#01214510]
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since LiteStep has since gone shit slow, i was hoping that there would be shells out there that gave the equivalent (or better) performance of LiteStep "back in the day"
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-05-29 20:35 [#01214511]
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Run windows 2000 instead?
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 20:36 [#01214512]
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by "System Monitor" i am assuming that you are referring to Activity Monitor.app
yes, the average user would be expecting that application to be situated in the dock, displaying CPU usage as a bar graph.
but there are other uses for making an application not visible in the dock
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-05-29 20:37 [#01214513]
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I think you have to download the main access files and hack the null interface node.
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-29 20:37 [#01214514]
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Yeah, just get a PC.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 20:37 [#01214515]
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 20:38 [#01214516]
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i am thinking about making a mini-itx machine, and using Remote Desktop to control it via my Mac
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-05-29 20:38 [#01214517]
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Hang on. What's the problem now?
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-05-29 20:39 [#01214518]
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by "System Monitor" i am assuming that you are referring to Activity Monitor.app
Jesus, you are a prick. I bet you were bullied at school. I was using your very own example in the terms you phrased it earlier in the thread...to save you looking
1) because you may have an application that you don't wan to appear in the dock, such as a system monitor that sits on your desktop, that you don't want taking up spacein the
dock
Why do you insist on trying to type and phrase things like you are the world greatest intellectual?
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 20:40 [#01214520]
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i am running Windows 2000
but like i said, i wanna squeeze as much out of the system as possible.
i'm the kind of guy who will sit there for five minutes scraping every last bit out of the bottom of the yoghurt tub. i will lick the inside of a chocolate wrapper to make sure i haven't missed any chocolate. i will eat every last crumb off the plate when i have some cake.
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deepspace9mm
from filth on 2004-05-29 20:40 [#01214521]
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Burn your evil glowing box and go outside.
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deepspace9mm
from filth on 2004-05-29 20:41 [#01214522]
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Seriously, how did this thread get so big?
OMG WTF LOL
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-05-29 20:42 [#01214523]
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So replacement shells for explorer.exe exist?
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 20:45 [#01214524]
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please note:
i said a system monitor, not System Monitor. the former refers to any system monitor application available for Mac OS X, the latter referring to a specific application called System Monitor.
why do i insist on trying to type like i'm the world's greatest intelectual?
because it pisses you off.
why do you insist on totally changing the subject matter of a perfectly innocent, and non Mac related subject into a Mac bashing thread?
i didn't ask for your opinion on why i should get a pc instead of using Virtual PC on my mac, i asked for shell replacements for Windows XP
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-29 20:45 [#01214525]
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 20:46 [#01214526]
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yep they do.
i only know of two though:
LiteStep (which is apparently quite shit now, but used to be the proverbial bomb)
and
BlackBox (but i don't know anything about this one, i've just heard of it)
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-05-29 20:50 [#01214529]
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You get sadder by the minute. I could have answered your original question at any time, I just wanted to see how shit would pan out in the thread.
i said a system monitor, not System Monitor. the former refers to any system monitor application available for Mac OS X, the latter referring to
a specific application called System Monitor.
haha fucking classic. Grasping at semantics is a wonderful thing to observe.
Oh and you type like a wannabe intellectual all the time, not just in topics I am involved with.
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-05-29 20:50 [#01214530]
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hahaha :D!
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-05-29 20:52 [#01214531]
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Oh and just to answer your original question take a look at Core and SharpE.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 20:54 [#01214532]
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no actually, you are the one who is sad.
you actually make a point of seeing how far you can spread shit in a thread?
don't you have anything better to do than ruin a perfectly reasonable request for help from fellow computer users?
i have no doubt that you would have been able to tell me the best shell replacement that you have ever used...hell, you probably could code your own and it'd be the bomb.
but no. you couldn't actually help someone, you had to go to the extent of spreading muck. just for the "fun" of it.
no mate, you're the sad one.
saying that though, you do know your stuff when it comes to PC's and Windows, and making tracks in Max/MSP
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 20:55 [#01214534]
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thank you for actually responding to the original request.
that's all i asked for.
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-05-29 20:56 [#01214535]
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I gave you more help than anyone else did you cheeky fucker. :P
I can't help amusing myself if I am bored and mentally disturbed. :D!
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-05-29 20:57 [#01214536]
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-05-29 20:57 [#01214537]
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Just to make sure I was right in my assumption of how to hide the icons it is just altering the boolean value in the pList xml file of the application isn't it?
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 20:57 [#01214538]
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hahaha
man, you just made me laugh on a day that has been my worst this month
thank you
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-05-29 20:58 [#01214539]
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Shut up before I hunt you down and slash your jugulars open for a laugh.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 21:00 [#01214543]
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that is how you can make hidden applications appear in the dock, but to make an application disappear from the dock:
find the application file (example: iPulse.app)
ctrl-click, then choose "Show Package Contents" (because applications on Mac OS X are actually just folders with UNIX executables contained in them)
open the Contents folder
open the info.plist file
and add this line:
LSUIElement
and and the string value of "1"
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-05-29 21:01 [#01214546]
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Ooh. Jugulars. Neat, did you hear that on the Discovery Channel?
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 21:01 [#01214547]
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typo:
and and the string value of "1"
should be
and add the string value of "1"
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-05-29 21:03 [#01214548]
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That's what I meant. It is a boolean value, you can have the string value set to 0 or not present at all, both of which leads to the icon being visible.
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-05-29 21:04 [#01214550]
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oh you really should become a comedienne or something.
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-05-29 21:06 [#01214554]
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I'm not the one talking about jugulars, like you think you're "the world's greatest intellectual". Any normal person would just say they would cut my throat.
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