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well considering that bush is only a puppet for the real nutcases in the administration if bush ain't popular enough to get the election they're capable of doing something like killing him just to get sympathy from the american public towards republicans and get another puppet in the govment who'll ruin the US and make the world a time bomb |
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not to mention the high chanche of election fraud. the electronic counting sytem that is to be implemented in the elctions is already being criticized for the easyneess to be cheated. |
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I wrote a long text to you Promo but decided not to post it, you wouldn't read it anyway and if you did you would still not change your mind. I recommend you to watch these comedy clips about Iraq called "Between Iraq and a hard place" - they brilliantly show what we in the west have been doing down there in Iraq since the early 1900's up til today: |
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manticore, Corporations have shareholders. Unless you forgot you complete and utter idiot. Shareholders like you and me. And the big pension funds too which manage people's pensions. Shareholders demand profits otherwise they have no interest in investing in particular companies long term. There are tonnes of companies out there which are extremely badly managed and don't even turn a profit. So please grow up. You know nothing. |
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joakimlinden, Thats your fucked up perception of things. We (the British) freed Iraq when it was called Mesopotamia from Turks after WW1. So get a life. When you attack the west then you attack the British and you know it. |
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Well in Orwells 1984 it would probably be called a freedom operation but since they didn't free Iraq at but instead forced a government on the people of the Mesopotamian region and called it Iraq. They took money from the Iraqis to pay for the "systematic bombings of civilians". The Brittons then appointed a King, which two years prior to that was king of Syria, and removed all opposition "candidates" and claimed that king Feisal got 96.8% of the votes. I think that is fucked up. We have treated those people like idiots and uncivilised tribes that can't take care of themselves - like in the great movie "Lawrence of Arabia" - when infact they have given us much of the foundation for our current knowledge. They have a totally different culture which is founded on different values than "ours". This was the reason for the Christian Crusades, where even some swedish people where involved, which killed a lot of innocent people in Gods name. WE are the oppressors, they are the victims. This is my perception. |
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did i hear bush say: a crusade against the terrorists? we are supperior and it's a virtue that we want to spread our superior civilization, it's been like that since colonial times, i dont see a reason to change that now |
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i like bush |
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take that to the love thread thad |
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Dude, you are really ignorant. So far for every 10 god-awful things bush has done, you can maybe list one thing he did right. The other times you just attack our personal character calling us commies (which i am not). You dont fucking live here so you dont know. How the fuck are we supposed to help out other countries when our own country is so fucked up? How are we supposed to help poor third world countries by dropping bombs on them, establishing military control and sucking their oil dry? So once again promo, here we are back at the fucking beginning, with your childish arguments and our so called 'rants'. What the matter promo? What are you hiding? |
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about that bombing: being dutch i dont really agree on how michael moore portrait the american bombing on sarajevo: a month before that or so we cried for and were denied airsupport from nato when the enclave srebrenica we tried to defend (but at which we missarably failed) fell |
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I'm with promo. You big jerkfaces totally need to grow up and sop being so liberal. |
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I agree with weatheredstoner. I think Americans have a better perception of their politics than you do. When I was in USA for a month recently ,the majority of Americans(from all walks of life I may add) I spoke to expressed their frustration at the way their country is being run and how concerned they were about the actions of their "elected" administration. Maybe talk to some Americans before you spread your points of view as gospel. |
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whatever you big stupidy-stupid head. grow up and stop being so liberal. Lol. |
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i said that in my first message. i doubt anybody reads mine. it's a become a big post, i know. hope someone reads some of my posts |
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we love you pomme |
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but you just don`t seeee you big smelly horsey-jobby! stop bein so cryptonite-capitalist you sausage... |
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lol |
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:D you remind me of someone... I cant remember their name... I think it started with a 'p'.... Oh well, fuck it. |
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you guys are the biggest bunch of dumb dummies.. just go on and keep bein' a bunch of liberal hippies in your world on non-smartness. Lol. |
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"being dutch i dont really agree on how michael moore portrait the american bombing on sarajevo: a month before that or so we cried for and were denied airsupport from nato when the enclave srebrenica we tried to defend (but at which we missarably failed) fell" The enclave at srebrenica, if I remeber correctly, was not defended because they got orders not to do anything. They where simply to wait for their ride out of there and let the drunk-up, drugged-up military do their shit. I've seen a documentary with soldiers from that unit and they where totally overcome with the emotions of not being able to do anything. The American govnmt portrayed the Serbian leader as ruthless and gave him a Hitler-like aura, like they do oh so often, while they supported the UCK guerrillas, sending in CIA personell to train them. Milosevic didn't want foreign economic interests to lay their bloody noses in his country's bussiness - when this was made clear, he became the evil one. The UCK where then suddenly called "Freedomfighters" by the western media, when they infact did just as much to contribute to terror as the Serbians. The U.S. gov. claimed that he had held a speech which was calling for an uprising against the Albanians and that he was sort of...well, like Hitler really. That speech is now available on the net, thanks to CIA documents, they have translated it, if I remeber correctly. I have read it and it doesn't contain ANY SHRED of racism, instead it calls for the people of Yugoslavia to unite and to work together in harmony. The total opposite of a racist speech. |
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yeah yaknow what. your right. i think i`m gonna join you and become a shallow, vapid crypto-capitalist. The liberals can keep their enviroment. sad losers. I'm all about free market, gain, raping the environment, greed, sleaze, warmongering, kalishnikovs in every home, a decent meal of processed beef, and a home full of non-essential designer furniture. Sad idiots don't know what happiness is. Dumb lefties. Lol |
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I knew after my intelijent argument that someone would start to see things my way (the true and right way). The rest of you tree-huggers can all go smoke some marijuana and have long hair and b.o. together. Have fun being stupid and dumb. Lol. |
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Me too mc 303, I'm ready to abandon every moral code in the book as well - if I make any money this year it'll go directly to the re-election of Bush Junior. I'll buy copies of Mike Savage's show and replay his "turd world nations" speeches til my ears bleed while I sing "Let the eagle soar" wrapped in the stars and stripes banner. |
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well the 4000 thousand muslim-men who systematticly got destroyed after we didnt do anything anymore because we were only lightly armed (we actually helped with deportation :( does show that the analogy isnt that wrong. though i do believe that probably, yes, UCK were just as bad when being in charge, only milosovic was in power and therefor got to do more damage. But what are you supposed to do when things get out of hand: milosovic was trying to get rid of all the other ethnic groups. Armed intervention was in place Milovsovic and his supporters (which were, i'm afraid, most of the Serbs because of the war situation) only wanted to do that themselves, at best then the muslims would only have been kicked out of Serbia, but that's not good either. |
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in this case it wasnt oil: it was because it was in our own europe (west i mean by that) it makes you reconsider iraq: its not that saddam was all that innocent with the Kurds (?) i usually just cant come to dissicions on this stuff, though i was pretty sure iraq was wrong. no i am sure on that |
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Well it's not good what any of the parties in that conflict did - I believe in peaceful agreements in all situations and do not support any violence against anyone. I just think that we get fed the picture that suits our leaders interests for the time being and they should be honest about it. We have a "free" media but it's a disfunctional media with corporate interests and hierarchies that rule the flow of information from the top -> down. There is also a matter of...what is viewed as criminal. We have to start being consequent about these things: Madelaine Albright said that the 500.000 Iraqi children that died as a direct consequence of the sanctions against Iraq was a "price that we where willing to pay". She was part of making that decision. I doubt that Milosevic gave orders that those men would be killed. It was probably the military side of the conflict, not the political. In any way... If he did order 5000 people to be killed, knowingly - why isn't Madelaine Albright sharing rooms with him in the tribunal prison for knowingly killing hundreds of thousands of children? Because it was for a good cause? Well... Saddam actually got more power from the sanctions, it was the population that suffered. |
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pomme de terre, You think your smart? You're winning no plaudets here. |
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If you have time... Download from soulseek: Michael Parenti - The US War on Yugoslavia He has a great deal of knowledge about this. |
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i really believe that milosovic was "bad" because he was a dictator who had been in power to long, was mad with power and screwed up, i hold him personnaly responsible for those deaths. (maybe my view on that isnt impartial, but what is?) the same i do with saddam and those children: he and not albright is directly responsible for that. what you say about the media is interesting because that's the stuff that i keep on hearing here, only from the right-side off view: left wing media, this and that... i do believe the situation you describe is how it is in the us now: cnn as a propaganda tool. i also believe bush is stupid enough for not really believing in real press-freedom |
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no i dont have time, i should work, darn you! |
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forgot the ;) |
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I think my smart what? |
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whoopie goldberg at the noble prize for science: "republicans are so stupid" audience: "ha ha ha" "i hate republicans" "ha ha ha" "republicans are so stupid" "ha ha ha" (from: southpark, "andy marshal son of a bith") |
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that whole episode is about stupid media, you should see it, it's hilarious: when it's found out that the solution by charactere andy marsh for spontanious combustion of people (farting) leads to green house effect and dangerous heat: presentor next to the small screen with the picture of andy marsh which says "son of a bith": "and now the weather: it's f*cking hot, thanks to andy marsh, son of a bitch. i hate him and so do you." lol |
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I tell you whats really funny. Is that you lot are going no where in life. Thats right no where. So keep up your pathetic rants and flailing of arms because its gonna have no impact. Ha ha ha. So so sweet. This is the irony of all. |
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yeah, that's pretty funny too :) |
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It is its hilarious. Ha ha ha ha. Oh God I'm in stitches. Lol. |
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you, crazy, you :D hahahah lol |
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;-) |
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i was saying that a bit tongue in cheek, you should know |
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Sure of course. Lol. |
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Just a thought, but how many people here actually give a fuck about 500,000 Iraqi children dying? I suggest that if people really, really gave a fuck about them and all the other poor and starving people of the world they wouldn't be buying CDs, visiting the movies, going out and getting pissed all the time or spending $X on a pair of fucking Reeboks. |
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Well... Why do we do those things? Could it be because corporations profits have become more important than people - and to support the top 1% of the population we get fed an endless stream of input with huge amounts of messages telling us how great things will be if we do this or if we buy that. People are getting organised though - like in the WTO summit in Seattle, but then they move the meetings to obscure locations that no one has any access to... It's also hard to identify with numbers, even if they are as huge as those. Have you ever seen the footage of that young vietnamese man who gets shot in the head by a military? Images like those made the people realise the meaningless horrors of war and they stood up in the end and stopped the violence. Too late, unfortunatley... An estimated million civilians where killed in the aftermaths of the war alone, due to the total destruction by the U.S. military of the infrastructure, the plantations, the mines. If we only get a fair media, showing what is really taking place in battle - like it did in some aspects of the Vietnam war - we will start to grasp what people has to endure for us to continue living like leeches. |
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Anyone can realize that promo has no argument if you read his posts. Did I say 'promo'? I meant 'freedom'. |
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What? Is he French? |
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joakimlinden, You apparently don't need a fair media or any media for that matter as you seem to know the entire story anyway. You know what? I really fucking wish that we just let all these sticking countries that you keep whining about rot. Then that way you'd have no argument whatsoever for attacking America and the West at all. |
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Ok. |
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By the way... Fell free to call me Joakim, thats my real name and it's faster to write too. |
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