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It illustrates the fact that the reasons they and you give for war are not ture; they are lies. This is about hegemony, not freedom, WMD, democracy or peace. |
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*sigh* this is going nowhere... war would have happened eventually anyway, Saddam would not have dissarmed, even with years to do it. I wish people would stop being anti-US and UK. Had he had another year to dissarm the UN would probably authorise force eventually, would you be all anti-US and UK then or anti-UN? |
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but by your description Saddam killing his people is first wrong and now US blowing them to kingdom come is the second you are right they dont make a right. (and dont kid yourself about the surgical strikes..there's already little children in hospital with wounds from the first wave of attacks...and the planned 3000 millies and bombs for the official Day One of the war is going have plenty of soft targets..) |
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just one question before i go, would you still be anti-war even if in a years time the UN decided war was the only way would you still be anti-war? And if you would still be anti-war how could all the UN nations be wrong? |
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wise words e-man. |
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ok i didn't need to say "would you still be anti war" twice but thats what i get for not using the preview :) |
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well? |
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Why are you still pro war when what US is doing clearly waging an illegal war likely to kill thousands of innocents without any mandate or authorisation from the UN and the World? |
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Yes. Why can't you grasp the fact that the UK, the US and the UN CAN BE WRONG??? |
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not going to answer the question then? |
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I think Culture club said it best when they sang War war is stupid and people are stupid And love means nothing in some strange quarters War war is stupid and people are stupid And I heard them banging on hearts and fingers War! |
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where did you get the info that all UN-nations want to disarm iraq and want war? who did you listen to? blair? |
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Yes I will be anti any war waged by the US..because the wars it wages are using strictly illegal near nuclear weapons like Bunker Busters and Daisy Cutter and now MOAB..that are just as immoral and un justifiable as any Biological or Chemical weapons |
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fair enough jonesy, i respect your opinion. Had Saddam not dissarmed in a years time and the UN decided war was the only way I would agree with that and so would the majority of the world. |
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"where did you get the info that all UN-nations want to disarm iraq and want war?" I was just thinking what the most likely outcome would be had Saddam not dissarmed in a years time. Even France said war would be a last resort. I just wondered had this happened would you still be against war and the UN. |
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yes |
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flea so you would be pro-war had the UN authorised it? |
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If US is the chief enforcer for reasons given above.. there is an alternative you know..UN troops... |
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sorry didnt read your last post flea. |
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nope against a war with the US playing the god police |
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i have an idea...let's disarm ourselves and prevent a war on this mb :) |
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We come from different standpoints is all. You view the US, UK governments as legitmiate and a force for good in the world. Whereas I don't; not even the UN. |
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<--------- dissarmed :) |
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me too :) i only had some nickles, a waterpistol, a pic of myself (some WMD ey..) and a box of tictacs in my pocket though |
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Is it just me or is the scud missile the most useless piece of military equipment ever created? I have never heard of a case where a scud missile actually hit an intended target. What does SCUD stand for? |
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this is what frighten me the most : too many people agree with the view of either the pro or con countries, it's ridiculous because what irak needs (the point of actions must o help irakis IMO) is a good middle of both view, we should all be trying to find a way to throw away saddam and really help the irakis afterward without sucking their ressources like it's happening in africa too, but it won't happen because we do not have democratic leaders. |
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Is it an Onomatopoeic word? |
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i shall disarm now and go make a track |
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frankly, i am as afraid of the ANTI-war mongerers as the war mongerers |
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I am afraid of the fence-sitters. |
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fence-sitting and seeing things wrong with BOTH sides point of view are two very different things. im not afraid of conflict from either end of the spectrum, im just untrustworthy of both the us and un, and the demonstrators and the gung-ho patriots |
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Up until now, all the anti war lot stated, as if it was a fact, that Iraq didn't have chemical weapons or WMD. Now, there is a chance I misheard as I was in the kitchen at the time, but I swear I heard them say they had just launched a gas and chemical attack on British troops (with footage of attractive new war correspondant diving to chuck her gas mask on). Perhaps the BBC are lying. Perhaps our government made them lie. However, I think that unlikely as they have run a lot of anti-war stories and covered the protests etc. I think it's fair to say our press is a hell of a lot more free than that of countries like Iraq, so it's probably likely that they have used chemical weapons. Yet still, I don't see any anti war protestors saying "Shit- he lied. He was probably lying about WMD too. Kill the bastard (Saddam)." Which would be a sensible thing to do. I get the feeling these anti war people really wouldn't want to go to war under any circumstances. Insulated by the nice safe environment of our little island (which is only safe because we go to war) it is easy to say "we need never have wars! Even to defend ourselves..." If people like that were in power we'd be taken over within 100 years. Please don't say, "That's stupid, no one thinks war is never justified." As I've spoken to at least a dozen people who claim that. |
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we should all organize to take over our gov and ou respective countries... that's the solution |
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you're just afraid, aren't you? A big fucking wimp. |
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"Had he had another year to dissarm the UN would probably authorise force eventually, would you be all anti-US and UK then or anti-UN?" My point exactly. They still wouldn't agree to it. They claim to make reasonable demands as they know people would laugh in their face if they said what they think (lets never go to war, no matter what happens). |
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i think one's gonna beat the 'champions league' and the 'now playing' one :) |
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i don't think it's never necessary to go to war, and i don't think the uk is so safe because it goes to war, but mind you if i say saddam has now the right to attack the troops, after the uk is invading it but if it's chemical weapons its scary... |
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Some Crap Useless Device. |
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i'm not like that... but the us & the uk don't want this war to disarm saddam, so we cannot base our opinion on that fact |
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lol |
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i agree with what you say, ceri... on the us end of the spectrum; i have a hard time trusting my government. i love the ideas of america, but the actuality of it is shady, to put it nicely. has anyone ever heard of alex jones? he is a true us patriot. he has a radio show in san antonio. he is as radical and pro-constitution as you can get. he believes in personal privacy and freedom. i have read some of his books, anmd seen some of his videos. i think anyone looking for insight into the REAL us and world governments should check him out. as a disclaimer: dont judge his site on first impression. YES, i know it looks like some crazy conspiracy theorist website. he has written for the likes of bbc, 20/20, 60 minutes and so on. he is a well respected (by people who respect truth) journalist. www.infowars.com www.infowars.net enter with an open mind, and maybe you'll see what i mean about being confused about my feelings towards my country's actions. |
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Aren't chemical weapons illegal? I think gas (aside from CS/tear gas) is generally considered dishonarable and "foul play" as well as it only ever seems to catch out untrained civilians in the area rather than troops (who all can put their gas mask on within 7 seconds at any time). If I had my way we'd all go back to having swords... |
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Yes, whilst I won't deny there is governmental cover ups/conspiracies etc. in the UK/US, a) There's a hell of a lot less of it than in regimes like Saddam's b) Outspoken dissedents who criticise the state aren't, for the large part, locked up and tortured |
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bill hicks: not that i'd expect you to understand the concept... but two (2) wrongs dont make a right. im not afraid of war. obviously, or i wouldn't put myself in a position so controversial (RE-read what i said, and really READ it this time). i think the level of hypeness over this thing is disgusting. you people are all mostly tense over it, and therefore you make HORRIBLE decision makers. i however, am calm. i guess i can afford to be... and i appreciate that luxury. i am sympathetic/empathetic to both the us troops AND the iraq civilians. THEY are my concern. their lives. not some political conquest. |
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ceri: oh, i know... like i said, im not bashing america (or the uk) as a nation. i just have problems with the policies. |
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Yeah I like the look of Alex Jones' stuff. He seems against the oversocialisation/dialectic teaching in schools etc. which is one of the things I feel most strongly about. I agree that there is a third option, which isn't sitting on the fence and that is the belief that both sides exaggerate or even lie to convince people to join their "side". I would say I'm mid way between this and the pro war side. I agree that there is undoubtedly some misinformation/not as much justification for war as perhaps there should be. However, I feel that the pro war lot are more in the right and hence sidfe with them. |
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i think imexactly where you are at with this thing, too. i WANT to say im pro-war, but there are things i just cant trust about it. alot of questions about the end-result that dont add up. |
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tibbar - i've just re-read what you wrote and it was like an epiphany. What I previously had thought was a bunch a hippy fucking drivel has revealed itself to be THE TRUTH. How could have I been so wrong for so long? And the answer was right there all the time. Forgive me Tibbar, for I have sinned. |
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you assume alot about a person. too much. |
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Thought for the day: Anyone ever thought how "right" is both the word for conservatism and correctness? |
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