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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-20 05:47 [#00605532]
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interesting to see Iraq using scud missiles...
didn't they say they had none recently??
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-03-20 05:47 [#00605533]
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You can be opposed to the war, but once you resign yourself to the fact the troops have no say in the matter, you can let them know you're encouraging them, if not their goal. If that makes sense.
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-20 05:48 [#00605536]
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Ceri: i agree, though I do agree with their goal of dissarming Iraq and destroying Saddam's regime, not just for the world but for the people of Iraq.
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bill_hicks
from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-03-20 05:49 [#00605541]
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it doesn't really.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-03-20 05:50 [#00605543]
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I don't know. That line is for people who are against war but are too scared of being labelled 'unpatriotic'.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-03-20 05:52 [#00605545]
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They have no say in the matter but why join up?
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-03-20 05:54 [#00605549]
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yeah...why?
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-03-20 05:55 [#00605550]
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I want to see the US disarmed. Since World War II, the United States actually dropped bombs on 23
countries.
These include: China 1945-46, Korea 1950-53, China 1950-53, Guatemala 1954, Indonesia 1958, Cuba 1959-60, Guatemala 1960, Congo 1964,
Peru 1965, Laos 1964-73, Vietnam 1961-73, Cambodia 1969-70, Guatemala
1967-69, Grenada 1983, Lebanon 1984, Libya 1986, El Salvador 1980s, Nicaragua 1980s, Panama 1989, Iraq 1991-1999, Sudan 1998, Afghanistan
1998 and Yugoslavia 1999.
Post World War II, the United States has also assisted in over 20 different coups throughout the world, and the CIA was responsible for half a dozen assassinations of political heads of state.
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-20 05:57 [#00605554]
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dissarm the US? are you stupid, who would be getting rid of Saddam now if they were dissarmed?
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-03-20 06:00 [#00605559]
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But the US, above anyone else, needs to be disarmed. THEY are the biggest threat to world peace as their record shows.
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-20 06:00 [#00605561]
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doesnt the fact that they are already using weapons they said they dont have prove action had to be taken?
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-20 06:03 [#00605566]
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America is currently and in the future no threat to world peace. They are one of the few countries actually enforcing 1441 for saddam to dissarm.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-03-20 06:03 [#00605568]
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I don't understand your logic. Why are we and the Americans allowed to use WMD but not anyone else? Is that not hipocrisy?
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-20 06:06 [#00605571]
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The US has WMD for defence, can you really say the same for Iraq?
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-20 06:07 [#00605574]
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and besides Dissarming Iraq i think there is a better case for freeing the Iraqi people from his regime, the amount of lives saved from this is alone worth action.
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-20 06:08 [#00605576]
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i suppose your going to tell me now that the US kills its own people and have rape rooms etc?
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-03-20 06:10 [#00605578]
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*nods furiously in agreement..
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-03-20 06:10 [#00605579]
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Iraq has invaded Kuwait, the US has invaded tens of countries.
Was the bombing of Panama, El Salvador, Vietnam, Nicaragua self defense?
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-03-20 06:11 [#00605580]
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The regime installed by the CIA? The regime that existed during the 1980s? The regime that we sold weapons to?
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-20 06:12 [#00605581]
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the fact is Iraq, as decided by the UN *NOT* just the US cannot have these weapons and they have them and lie about them. Even with this proved, hippies still dont want action taken.
Maybe we should have left Germany alone after World war one... oh... we did didn't we.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-03-20 06:12 [#00605582]
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No, they just kill other people in other countries.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-03-20 06:13 [#00605584]
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Israel has nuclear weapons. Should we bomb them? No, we'll give them more $s and more weapons and let them ethnically cleanse the Palestinians.
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-20 06:15 [#00605587]
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Dont you see what you saying is STUPID! because the US has WMD Iraq should be able to have WMD despite the fact that Saddam is more likely to use them?
Would you think it was fair if he killed thousands of people? Would you say "well the US has them..."
you just dont realise what your saying do you?
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E-man
from Rixensart (Belgium) on 2003-03-20 06:16 [#00605589]
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you really are a joke :D
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-20 06:17 [#00605591]
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so basically your saying the UN is wrong to dissarm Iraq? despite the fact he has used chemical weapons on his own people before, don't think i can remember the US doing this.
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E-man
from Rixensart (Belgium) on 2003-03-20 06:18 [#00605595]
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saddam armed himself MAINLY cos of the thread israel is possing to them, shall i remmeber you the invasion of koweit way back was a big bullshit, merely they had a skirmsih at the frontier, and the us media were bluffed and lead the opinion to support a war not justified
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-20 06:18 [#00605596]
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E-man, you are the joke, dont you have anything worthwile to say? probably not.
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E-man
from Rixensart (Belgium) on 2003-03-20 06:19 [#00605598]
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the us tested weapons everywhere in the world after doin it in his own land cos it's more secret and the peoples affected are not your own...
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E-man
from Rixensart (Belgium) on 2003-03-20 06:20 [#00605600]
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peace man i'm slow that's all:D
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-03-20 06:20 [#00605601]
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I do. But you don't seem to. Why won't you acknowledge the US' use of WMD?
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-03-20 06:20 [#00605602]
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Iraq invaded Kuwait with full knoledge of the US..in fact the US foreign secretary gave them the go ahead and them turned around and denied it..
Iraqi's discovered that Kuwaitis were illegally drilling underground well inside the Iraqi territory...Iraqis asked their then pals the US that was enough grounds for them to attack and stop these drillings..and the US administration agreed..
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-20 06:21 [#00605605]
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so the UN is wrong? All the countries in the UN voted for Iraq to be dissarmed immediately. They are all a joke then are they?
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-03-20 06:21 [#00605607]
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So you only need to be disarmed if you use WMD on your onw people?
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-03-20 06:24 [#00605609]
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Good Luck To Our Brave Troops!
..nah
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-20 06:24 [#00605610]
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ok forget the weapons, dont you think the Iraqi people would be better off without Saddam?
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E-man
from Rixensart (Belgium) on 2003-03-20 06:24 [#00605611]
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no saddam could be disarmed if everyone was... does saddam ever threthened the us? NO! so why is Ireak dangherous?
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Morton
from out (Netherlands, The) on 2003-03-20 06:25 [#00605612]
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hey fool! :P
where's that crazy hilarious avatar!?
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-03-20 06:25 [#00605613]
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The WMD's Iraq possess were happily provided by the US these include Chemical and Biological weapons in the 80's because at that time Saddam was using it on Iran and US's Hitler dujour Ayatollah Khomaini..infact US didnt as much as bat an eyelids when Saddam finished off the leftover stockpiles on Kurds killing 5000..this very crime is cited over and over as a case against Saddam but then it was just an ally taking actions against domestic problems and seperatists which is pefectly okay as long as the US knows about it in advance and fucking you up the arse...
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-20 06:25 [#00605614]
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anyway i'm finnished discussing this, I just hope the war is short and Iraq is a better place for their people after... which i think alone is good enough reason.
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Morton
from out (Netherlands, The) on 2003-03-20 06:27 [#00605617]
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if there are any people left that is...
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E-man
from Rixensart (Belgium) on 2003-03-20 06:28 [#00605619]
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saddam is not immortal, after all the years of sanction i think it would have been better without sanctions and just watch him
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-03-20 06:29 [#00605620]
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without Saddammm Iraq would split into atleast 3 little warring states many a civil wars, bloodsheds and ethnic cleansings will ensue not unlike the tragic plight of Yugoslavia...
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-20 06:29 [#00605621]
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morton: i'm surprised there is with the amount of people Saddam kills each year
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-03-20 06:30 [#00605623]
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And the Sanctions..dont forget the thousands killed by the Sanctions...
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-03-20 06:33 [#00605625]
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Yes, but they'd be even better off if they weren't blown to pieces by our bombs and starved with our sanctions.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-03-20 06:34 [#00605628]
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So you have no convincing arguments for us?
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-20 06:35 [#00605629]
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flea you've been reading too many anti-war websites...
ever heard two wrongs dont make a right?
you almost sound as if it's ok for Saddam to kill his people because of sanctions... you do realise he was doing this way before sanctions were ever in place?
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-03-20 06:41 [#00605633]
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Yeah, and the US gave him the means to do so and turned the other way when he did use them. Why would they change their minds about him now?
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-20 06:43 [#00605636]
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but how does that make it right do turn the other way now?
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-03-20 06:43 [#00605637]
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yeah..what he said..
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