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So I take it you don't think resolution 1441 should have passed? After all, aside from full compliance military action is it's only possible result. |
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If that's true then Hans Blix had no idea what he was talking about when he said that they couldn't find the "smoking gun". If they couldn't find it, it indicates that they were looking for them. Iraq already gave them a list of things that they have. If you assume that Iraq still has WMD and they are not there your assumptions are wrong that's why they look for them |
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"After all, aside from full compliance military action is it's only possible result." "serious consequences" can mean all kinds of things otherwise they would have called it "full scale war" |
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Serious consequences is diplomat-speak. There are no other serious consequences besides military action. |
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Did he say the 'couldn't find' or 'haven't found'? There's actually quite a difference there. An extract from 1441: "to afford Iraq, by this resolution, a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations under relevant resolutions of the Council". This clearly puts the emphasis on Iraq to disarm, not to be disaremed by inspectors. Yes, Iraq presented a list of it's military programmes to the UN. Pretty much everyone except Iraq is agreed that it falls short of a complete declaration., something which Hans Blix has decried on numerous occasions. |
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"Serious consequences is diplomat-speak. There are no other serious consequences besides military action." ....because? |
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OK, you tell me. What other serious consequences are there in the context of 1441? |
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bush is THE greatest threat to world safety. comments please. |
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boycots, no fly zones, bomb WMD, etc |
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Boycott what exactly? No-fly zones are already there. As for bombing the WMD, they're hidden, that's the whole point. If we knew where they were we would have told the inspectors already. |
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"to afford Iraq, by this resolution, a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations under relevant resolutions of the Council". This clearly puts the emphasis on Iraq to disarm, not to be disaremed by inspectors" it doesn't say anything about inspectors... "As for bombing the WMD, they're hidden, that's the whole point" or sold(likely), or destroyed(unlikely) or used up or a combination or the above. It's all assumptions |
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You say it's all assumptions, well surely Saddam Hussein could easily clear it all up? The quote from 1441 was just that, a quote. There's plenty of references to inspectors in it. Doesn't change the fact that the onus is on Iraq to co-operate. |
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Promo: you haven't got a fuckin clue. It WAS inhabited and the creation of Israel went hand in hand with the forcible removal and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians. Again, you never fail to come out with a load of steaming shit. |
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Ceri: no offence, but that is quite possibly the stupidest thing you have ever said. |
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http://politics.guardian.co.uk/foreignaffairs/comment/0,115 38,899123,00.html |
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Which comment: That a pre-emptive strike would in some instance be justified or "I'm not saying we do have proof"? or The majority Palestinans are envious of the Jew's wealth and education. or It being pretty shite land before the Jews developed it. I presume you mean the latter? Here's a picture of Israel back in the 20s... not quite as impressive as it is now is it? I know you have a penchant for giving the land of all cuntries back to whoever had it 100s of years previously, but yuo seem to forget that the jews did once have some of Israel (and yes, they fought the palestinians then), before it was given to them after WW2. No one has commented on the suggestion I posted that a palestinian friend said, "The Jews should go back to Poland now WW2 is over". Just out of interest, what do all the "give it back to the palestinian" supporters here propose we do with the Jews? |
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Your comments regarding Israel and the Palestinians. It is not envy the Palestinains feel but rage; rage at over 50 years of western sanctioned ethnic cleansing. What you said bears no relation to the real situation in Palestine. “Israel is to become the watchdog. There is no fear that Israel will undertake any aggressive Policy towards the Arab states when this would explicitly contradict the wishes of the US and Britain. But if for any reasons the Western powers should sometimes prefer to close their eyes, Israel could be relied upon to punish one or several neighbouring states whose discourtesy to the West went beyond the bounds of the permissible.” The Israeli paper Ha’aretz, 30 September 1951 |
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Of course the Palestinians are jealous! Their government keeps them ignorant, the quality of life is lower, women are treated little better than animals , education is something only available to a priviliged elite... The Israelis on the other hand have a relatively stable (if you ingore outside forces), liberal democracy (compared to palestine- I know the Israelis are actually quite right wing...) with a high quality of life. Why wouldn't the palestinians be jealous? |
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They are victims of Israeli ethnic cleansing and terror. I wouldn't call that jealousy. Were the Jews jealous of the Nazis? The south Africans jealous of the Afrikaans? Do you actually know what Israel has done to the Palestines? Look at this: Not a loony lefty but an Academy Award winning journalist and filmmaker http://pilger.carlton.com/palestine |
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The situation is FAR FAR FAR too complicated and serious to put it down to Palistinian jealousy... |
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Could the fact that Israel has destroyed Palestinian society have something to do with the fact that they have nothing while the Israelis have it all? Or perhaps that the US bankrolls the Israeli economy? |
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and with respect to your picture... it looks like it could be an old street from any old town in any country... and it doesn't look much like a barren wasteland to me! |
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Jerusalem - the key to the entire situation has a history that stretches back 5000 years! |
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I'm waiting for the USA to invade France, that'll be fun! |
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BTW, Israel has 68 UN resolutions passed against them, while Iraq has a measley 17. |
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No, it's not the only reason, but to deny that it contributes to it is a little unrealistic... |
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But is to oppose the ethnic cleansing of one's people jealousy? |
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Avril is just a pretty face, if that shut her up, and keep on making crappy tunes for the kids |
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Musicians, actors and artists should stay out of politics all together no matter what their views are. It is a wise thing to do. |
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"It's like this old song my drummer played me, about war. It said "War! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing." Now I know that was written like a million years ago before I was like even born, but that guy's got a point, y'know? I think some people really really need to listen to that record. When I heard it for the first time the other day, I just thought like, "Yeah!" - Avril Lavinge or the fuqq her name is. Hahaha, she's a pretty face, nothing else. Hasn't she ever heard the tune before? And she's suppose ta be "rocky"? "Avril Lavigne's new single Pointless will be in the shops on 5 April. Her debut album Avril was recently voted "Best Ever New Album in the World" at the MTV Awards January 2003. She is also up for Best New Female Vocalist A Through H in the MTV March 2003 awards. She is deep." Deep? Ahahahaha- hilarious stuff. |
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jonesy, Yes they are jealous; thats why they wont the land because they now see it in their interest. But of course you're not jealous are you. You're above that sort of thing aren't you. Lol. |
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Jerusalem - the key to the entire situation has a history that stretches back 5000 years! where is your hope in that note? 5000 years of difference, pride, factions, and conflict...that is now testing the rest of the shrinking world. it's sad to see that, after years of following unending unrest middle-east, that your own country can be drawn down to the same base reactions of fear and vengence. and yet it happens. |
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But Palestinian Jews and Arabs lived there quite peacefully for thousands of years. It was only with the creation of a Zionist state, and the forcible removal of Palestinian Arabs, that led to the conflict. |
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man those of you in Europe are missing out on these delicious freedom fries. |
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Do they taste better? ;) It must of cost scores of millions to change all literature referencing "french fries"... Perhaps they should of just changed them to "Chips" everyone knows us Brits made them anyway. |
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haha.. well it was only like two places that changed the name.. |
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what a bunch of babies... i guess now everything having to do with the french is going to be boycotted now?!?!? why don't they just tear down the statue of liberty, while they're at it. |
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I know, my mum is boycotting french food. She binned some salad she bought when she realised it was french. Good point about the statue of liberty :) And we had to go to an indian rather than french owned restaurant for my birthday :/ |
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I'm English, British, and European... NOT American. Freedom Fries!!! I've heard of some stupid and pointless shit in my life, but that has got to be one of the most stupid and pointless! What a waste of money! Wouldn't that money be better spent on the hundreds of thousands of EXTRA refugees that this conflict will create? |
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As if the French (or anyone) gives a fuck about whether Yanks eat French Fries or Freedom Fries!!! |
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It's not even like they're made in france- it's just the name... I'm Welsh. That's it. Just kidding, I count myself as British, not European though... |
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I think you need to look into the Palestinian situation a little closer. Jealousy has about as much to do with it as Freedom Fries do to the Iraqi situation! |
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Even less I'd say. |
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a ha ha ha I don't think miss Lavigne actually wrote that column.. |
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Why should anyone with an opinion stay out of politics? If you feel strongly about something then you should be free to express those feelings... isn't that something to do with democracy? |
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In nuber one it says: ARMAGEDON for love, for honour, for whatever |
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