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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-01-31 06:44 [#02041851]
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I recently noticed that generally speaking, board members seem to be more arsey to one another than used to be the case a few years back. Yes, there has always been a degree of bickering, but more of it seemed like good natured ribbing then, than genuinely spiteful attacks as seem commonplace now. Likewise, there were always a few cruel posters, but now an acerbic edge to people's post seems the norm, rather than the exception.
I know a lot of "old posters" who have stopped posting here have cited the current rather antagonistic nature of the place as the main reason for leaving. I myself have found that I've done the same as I do IRL when dealing with impolite or unpleasent people. That is, become a lot more blunt and cutting in response.
Is this what happens? People either can't handle it and leave, or start to give as good as they receive? Am I looking at it through rose-tinted spectacles and in actuality, there has always been an unpleasent undertone?
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2007-01-31 06:47 [#02041855]
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There have been spates of nastiness throughout the board's history (or at least, in the five years I've been a member). People have less patience with people whose characters abrade their own. It's because the membership is ageing. Plus we live in a world which is less civil and respectful than it used to be, and it naturally carries on into the Virtual World of Internet.
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big
from lsg on 2007-01-31 06:48 [#02041856]
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it was always bad
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xceque
on 2007-01-31 06:52 [#02041860]
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There are a select few who are uncivil enough to make it much less worth visiting than it has been. The board does go through crap phases, and the current one is one of those.
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Anus_Presley
on 2007-01-31 06:55 [#02041861]
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Ceri, man, how times can this mb discuss this.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-01-31 06:55 [#02041862]
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It could be that those that previously were asses have just upped their activity and then this makes more stuff look like it's aggressive.
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Chihiro
from twins land on 2007-01-31 07:04 [#02041863]
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some real cheap and mean posts at times! I think this is an important thread! You never know who's behind a nickname, and it might be someone fragile who might do something silly as a result of too many attacks. Some folks really take the internet seriously in a personal way. gotta be carefuL
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2007-01-31 07:08 [#02041866]
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You can't pander to people who are so weak that they would allow an Internet attack affect their actual lives. The pandering to the L.C.D. is already a problem in general society.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2007-01-31 07:11 [#02041868]
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I think the incivility is less creative and whimsical than it once was. We need to set a higher standard for rudeness.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2007-01-31 07:14 [#02041870]
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Speak for your (petulant) self!
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2007-01-31 07:16 [#02041871]
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I wasn't talking about you, Lord Haughtybottom. You're the standard-bearer of decadently civil incivility.
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Chihiro
from twins land on 2007-01-31 07:16 [#02041872]
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HAHAHAHA!!!! you despicable fooL :P
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mortsto-x
from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2007-01-31 07:24 [#02041875]
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It IS less civil than it used to be. I also miss a lot of the people who used to be here for the music. One thing that happens over and over, is that when new board-members make threads that have been discussed before, the answers are normally 90% rude. If I was a 14 year old boy, making my first topic about "when will afx release a new album?" and the only replies was to go fuck myself, I guess I would go somewhere else to discuss music.
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2007-01-31 07:25 [#02041877]
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I don't notice it, I just get wound up by idiocy.
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epohs
from )C: on 2007-01-31 08:07 [#02041899]
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it seems about the same to me
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2007-01-31 08:12 [#02041902]
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I never said you were talking about me, you minor Duke of Xltronica!
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epohs
from )C: on 2007-01-31 08:14 [#02041904]
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EAT SHIT SALAMI FACES!
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2007-01-31 08:15 [#02041906]
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Or,
Eat Faeces Salami Faces
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epohs
from )C: on 2007-01-31 08:19 [#02041909]
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Indeed. A faeces feast for salami faces.
BYOF
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2007-01-31 08:21 [#02041910]
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this place used to be only for music discussion
it has no turned itself into a sort of "off-topic" or "one-shop-stop" forum, which i've noticed happening all over.
i contribute to that, but have tried to stop.
community has taken form, to an extent.
but im not sure why so many people get so upset here.
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2007-01-31 08:24 [#02041911]
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fuck off ya cunt! < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br> < /br>
:P
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2007-01-31 08:25 [#02041912]
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Oops.
Probably worth a delete that one.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2007-01-31 08:27 [#02041914]
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You've inadvertently given away one of the precious secrets of Xl-posting. Tsk. & Tsk.
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2007-01-31 08:28 [#02041915]
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I think it's much more offensive that way, though, good job.
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CS2x
from London (United Kingdom) on 2007-01-31 08:28 [#02041916]
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I find it better then it used to be.
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scup_bucket
from bloated exploding piss pockets on 2007-01-31 08:30 [#02041918]
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FINALLY I know how to do it
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2007-01-31 08:33 [#02041920]
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big
from lsg on 2007-01-31 08:33 [#02041921]
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i always do < i> etc
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vveerrgg
from life (Canada) on 2007-01-31 08:41 [#02041927]
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it's always been abit hostile... atleast since i joined...
but there's a great saying... WE > I
so if we all work together we can make it better.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2007-01-31 08:43 [#02041928]
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Did you steal that from David Brent?
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epohs
from )C: on 2007-01-31 08:46 [#02041930]
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really, i think it is as on topic as it ever was. i mean, over 50% of the current main page threads are basically music related.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2007-01-31 08:48 [#02041932]
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Opheck's Mario Survey is a bit tenuous--is this included because one of the questions asks for favourite music ?
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sheffieldbleep
from Sheffield (United Kingdom) on 2007-01-31 08:50 [#02041935]
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For as long as I've been here it's been more hostile than tranquil.
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mortsto-x
from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2007-01-31 08:52 [#02041936]
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I've been thinking of going back, say 2 years and 4 years to check out the percentage of music related topics compared to the present. Would be interesting.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-01-31 09:01 [#02041938]
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That's my attitude. To be honest, I used to close a lot of those negative sort of threads. I often don't now, unless they're really bad, becuase they are so commonplace. If 5% of the board does it, it's trolling and most people are in favour of it going. If 50% of the board do it, it's part of the "board culture" and it becomes a bit harder/less popular to police it.
To change it, we need a lot of users to change their attitudes. Then once most people are behaving decently, the few that don't, can be forced to.
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2007-01-31 09:01 [#02041939]
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All you do is fucking moan.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-01-31 09:02 [#02041942]
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Post number 14 in this thread was very nearly me doing something like that as a follow up to my original post, along with a follow up "Now I've done it, no one else need do it." :P
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mortsto-x
from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2007-01-31 09:33 [#02041967]
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LAZY_TITLE Can't belive you used to be that civilized in 05
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-01-31 09:35 [#02041969]
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I can't believe he suggested we don't dismiss The Campfire Headphase.
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mortsto-x
from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2007-01-31 09:36 [#02041970]
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:)
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2007-01-31 09:38 [#02041972]
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I still rate it, I still play it, I think it sounds pretty unique and it's a great summer album, and as it's summer here, I will enjoy it at some point soon.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-01-31 09:41 [#02041975]
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It has grown on me since my initial disappointment with it, but it and the (even less listened to) Trans Canada Highway EP are still my least favourite BoC releases by a long way.
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epohs
from )C: on 2007-01-31 09:43 [#02041977]
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yeah, i debated about including that one
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2007-01-31 09:46 [#02041980]
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Oh no, I mean, MHTRTC, that took one listen back in the day to evoke a "Holy fuck, music will never be the same" response, TCH doesn't come close. But for a band evolving, or at least trying something new, I think it works. It's like a shiney BOC compared to the gritty, distressed BOC we're used to.
Sorry, I've derailed this "Is XLT the most hostile environment in which to attempt to talk about music without having your face chewed off?" thread into a thread about a bloody old BOC album.
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mortsto-x
from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2007-01-31 09:48 [#02041982]
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"It's like a shiney BOC compared to the gritty, distressed BOC
we're used to." That's actually an excellent description of TCH.
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2007-01-31 09:49 [#02041984]
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You see, I'm not just here to dish out the c-word.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-01-31 09:52 [#02041986]
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I should call you a stupid faggot, with a gay taste in music, but actually, that's a very fair description.
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2007-01-31 09:54 [#02041988]
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it does seem especially hostile lately, i suppose its not really that many people, but 20 nice, if inconsequential posts are a lot less memorable than the occasional 'i hope you fucking die'
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2007-01-31 09:55 [#02041990]
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It's ok, I'd take it on the chin (ooeerr)
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2007-01-31 10:01 [#02041996]
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Yeah, I find it pretty bad. I've been intentionally pretty sarcastic the last while, but there have been so many times I've posted a message about some music topic and just gotten some stupid idiotic response. God, you wouldn't act like that face to face would you? Sure the internet is different, but it's still people communicating with people, so what happened to general decency and politeness?
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