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offline pigster from melbs on 2007-01-11 06:57 [#02030364]
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hm. i finally got around to watching the matrix trilogy
again, (something ive wanted to do for awhile).
ANYWAY. there is one thing i didn't quite understand. in the
matrix, neos real name was thomas anderson, with his hacker
alias being neo. neo is just a hacker nickname he uses for
his computer life, and yet, this is the name he goes by when
set free into the real world. perhaps theres more to it that
i dont understand (is it because neo is an anagram of 'one'
and wachowski bros thought they were cool/smart?).
if the matrix were real, and i was set free into the real
world, would everyone be going about calling me pigster?
what a bunch of stupid wankers..
(perhaps im just confused and delirious from an overdose of
too much cgi and long pointless irrelevant rants and
convosations between silly actors standing infront of a blue
screen. i apologize)


 

offline Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2007-01-11 07:00 [#02030366]
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i think the point is that Thomas Anderson is a name given to
him by the machines. Neo is a name he has chosen for
himself. In the real world people prefer to go by the names
they have given themselves and not those given to them by
their opressors.

or something.


 

offline Phobiazero from the next Xltronic (Sweden) on 2007-01-11 07:07 [#02030370]
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it's a bug


 

offline Dannn_ from United Kingdom on 2007-01-11 07:08 [#02030371]
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its sort of to do with the rejecting the matrix, going by a
name you chose rather than one you received in the matrix,
that whole theme of 'choice' that they smear in your face in
the second one. And also because hacking the matrix and
hacking on computers is supposed to have some similarities
in technique and ideology, which is why he was good at
both.

I just saw in a bargain bookshop a book about the matrix
which claimed that assuming the matrix exists and you are in
it, it could explain how to begin removing yourself and
becoming the one.

yeah the matrix gets really horribly shit after the first
one


 

offline pigster from melbs on 2007-01-11 07:21 [#02030377]
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both indeksical and dannn_ have good points. thank you!

yeah, the first matrix, i havent seen in a while, and i
noticed alot more, and understood more (though, most of it
ive already read on the internet but it was cool seeing it
on film and everything).

and yes, the matrix DID get horrible after the first one. i
was well aware of this, but no matter what, it's always
(just a little bit) surprise how crap it got. at least it
still had a good story and even more things to think about
(geeks to dig into and write interesting when bored theories
and post them on the internet).

one thought after putting myself through so much matrix in
such short span of time? why oh why didnt i take the BLUE
pill. LOL JK GUYS!


 

offline retape from http://retape.net (Norway) on 2007-01-11 08:24 [#02030396]
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lolll


 

offline big from lsg on 2007-01-13 06:52 [#02031459]
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i think he subconsciencely knew thomas anderson wasn't his
real name because it was given to him by the matrix. and neo
was always his real name, or more real anyway


 

offline unabomber from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2007-01-15 04:59 [#02032571]
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It's all a huge ripoff of "The Invisibles" by Grant
Morrison.
Better read the comic book. There's more in ten pages of the
comic than in the whole Matrix trilogy.

And I love the movies. The three of them.


 

offline pigster from melbs on 2007-01-15 05:24 [#02032587]
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definitely seems interesting! though, i haven't really
gotten into comics before, so i don't know if i can see
myself checking this out. unless of course, you really
recommend it?


 

offline unabomber from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2007-01-15 05:28 [#02032590]
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There's nothing in this world I recommended with the
strenght I recommend "The Invisibles"....

The wachowski bros were givin' copies to the ppl who worked
on the film. Best comic ever. BEST.


 

offline KEYFUMBLER from DUBLIN (Ireland) on 2007-01-15 05:38 [#02032597]
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i thought the whole point of the first matrix film was
basically:

"Here's a possible way that superheros/supervillains can
exist - being merely enhanced programs in a world of
ordinary programs, where suopervillains are malign
programs."
the very end of the film where neo is walkin down the
street, ready to download any enhancement he wants,
suggested to me and it wa a damn good idea.

Then we get all this zion/architect shit and what i though
it was all about turns into psuedo philosophical pap-arama.



 

offline pigster from melbs on 2007-01-15 05:41 [#02032599]
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consider it recommended!


 

offline unabomber from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2007-01-15 05:44 [#02032602]
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No, it turns from a basic virtual-reality plot to an
explanation that includes the theory of chaos and the
fractal representation of the real.

Level 1: The matrix
Level 2: The green binary code neo sees when awakes
Level 3: The fractal images he sees when goes deeper in the
substructure of it all

And Trinity n' Niobe are hot hot hot as plus to the saga!


 

offline unabomber from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2007-01-15 05:45 [#02032604]
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I'll do it again anyway...

I RECOMMEND YOU ALL TO READ "THE INVISIBLES"!!!

(we are the underground ressistance)


 

offline pigster from melbs on 2007-01-15 05:50 [#02032609]
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YOU'RE LUCKY THERES NO SUCH RULE AS DOUBLE RECOMMENDATION,
WHICH RESOLVES US BACK TO OUR PREVIOUS NON-RECOMMENDED
STATE.
i'll see if any of my friends know of it, if not i know what
shops should have it (theres one place that'll definitely
have it, thoughtit's always pricey as fuck).

also, saying the matrix sequels brought in the philosophical
part (with the original matrix being just a super hero
action movie) is a stupid stupid claim. stop claiming such
stupid stupid claims!


 

offline unabomber from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2007-01-15 06:00 [#02032616]
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IMO it's more about maths and phisics than about philo.


 

offline OK on 2007-01-15 08:48 [#02032696]
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maths and physics? lol


 

offline Dannn_ from United Kingdom on 2007-01-15 09:31 [#02032728]
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no matter what they were about, the second two were badly
done, some awful scenes, cringe inducing scripts, CGI mess,
completely dissolved any interest in the original characters
and then added a bunch of newer more boring ones as well...


 

offline Combo from Sex on 2007-01-15 09:33 [#02032730]
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crap movie + full of nonsense


 

offline Silly Willy on 2007-01-15 09:36 [#02032732]
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Oh but they're so clever.

Thomas as in doubting thomas. He didn't believe.

Anderson = Son of Man

Neo = New

Neo is an anagram.
He died in room 101 <--- Mega reference.

Fuck yu Wachowski wankers.


 

offline i_x_ten from arsemuncher on 2007-01-15 09:39 [#02032734]
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i refuse to watch 2 & 3. i did watch the first one again and
its dated quite badly i thought.


 

offline AphexAcid from Sweden on 2007-01-15 09:40 [#02032735]
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I can't stop thinking how great the second movie would be if
the animated features from Animatrix, aka The Second
Renaissance 1 and 2, would introduce the movie.

And of course, Neo's not suppose to be some
messiah-super-man, and the Architect should've gone out the
window, and skipped the overly "philosophical" hocus-pocus,
but they could've retained the anomaly-stuff.

Damn, it's almost annoying how much potential this series,
could've had, instead ending up being a preachy
pop-corn-flick.


 


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