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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-21 03:10 [#02005340]
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is today
will you be participating?
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-11-21 03:17 [#02005343]
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it says "no music day exists for various reasons. do you have one?"
i dont have a reason, so does that mean no-music day doesn't actually exist? and if it doesn't, then neither could this thread... or this post that i am typing right now!! (@_@;)
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SValx
from United Kingdom on 2006-11-21 03:22 [#02005345]
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Hell noooo! I don't think I could, even if I wanted to though really. How do you avoid listening to people hum that walk past you, or not listen to the music when you go past a shop/into uni/ into a lecture with a crazy lecturer who plays music at the beginning of every class?
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unabomber
from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-11-21 03:23 [#02005346]
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too late for me...
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sin
from United Kingdom on 2006-11-21 03:27 [#02005347]
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I'm dizzy. Is it the thread or is it Team doyobi? Is this music or is it android bowels? Is it normal eating breakfast to this?
TD's stereo imaging is wierd.
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-21 03:35 [#02005348]
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yeah it's unavoidable in cases like those but you can still choose to not play anything yourself, which i'm sure would make a huge difference to most of us. we are surrounded by it constantly, if everyone did it i think it could be quite liberating. i'll do it.
I will be observing No Music Day by: Is this a bad joke??? It`s not the first of April<.... I am observing No Music Day because: I love music!<3 dont take it from me! u r old people wich dont have anything to do!
musicjesus
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DiaZoHeXagoN
from The city of angels (United States) on 2006-11-21 03:40 [#02005352]
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wow this would be incredibly hard for me. I usually drive about 2 hours a day and music is what keeps me sane. There is always music playing around me. Thats rough man
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-11-21 04:02 [#02005364]
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I did sign up on there, then promptly forgot about it. But I've just got up so I will not play any music all day today in solidarity with my hero Bill Drummond.
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avart
from nomo' on 2006-11-21 04:03 [#02005365]
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...of course I won't be participating, music is too important for me to care about grumpy old men and their bitter ideas
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-21 04:08 [#02005366]
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i don't think it's simply a bitter idea though look at diazohexagon's example which seems almost habitual (i'm guilty of this too) is that genuine appreciation or just routine?
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-11-21 04:09 [#02005367]
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I won't be able to do any proper work on my paper if I don't have music, so I'm out.
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Aesthetics
from the IDM Kiosk on 2006-11-21 04:16 [#02005368]
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What's the main reason that a site like that is on the net?
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-11-21 04:18 [#02005369]
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porn
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-11-21 04:29 [#02005370]
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An interesting read, as ever, by Bill.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-11-21 04:38 [#02005371]
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4'33" on repeat
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obara
from Utrecht on 2006-11-21 04:53 [#02005374]
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i usually spend half a weekday without music at work so i'm half-participating anyway
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Skink
from A cesspool in eden on 2006-11-21 04:55 [#02005375]
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I do this one day a week anyway. It's really nice once in a while i'll admit. No such luck today though. I have lots of musical things to do.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-11-21 05:21 [#02005385]
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WHY
WHAT IS THE POINT?
sounds like a bit of a contrived attempt to get us to imagine what it'd have been like, living in Iran in the 80s
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-11-21 05:25 [#02005387]
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it's pretty obvious, isn't it? our lives are saturated with music, it can be nice to take a break once in a while, just to help you reappreciate music or being able to listen to music.
anyway, I pretty much do this regularly without really thinking about it, so I won't be participating on this particular day. but I do like the thought.
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2006-11-21 05:32 [#02005391]
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I didnt think many people on xlt would have a problem with not appreciating the music they listen to but maybe Im wrong. I dont just put music on out of habit, and I take my bus journey music time probably a little too seriously
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-11-21 05:36 [#02005393]
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I like on the site the way that the majority of the people who think it's a good, or at least interesting idea, express themselves calmly and with at least a tincture of humour, whilst most people who are against it can only muster a WTF??? FUCK YOU???!!! MUSIC IS LIFE YOU'RE DEAD.
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DirtyPriest
from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2006-11-21 05:51 [#02005401]
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Interesting idea, but i already ruined the chance for myself today
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-11-21 06:03 [#02005403]
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It's a KLF idea though, innit? I thought (due to that fact) that it was some sort of political thing, or something with more reason to it than that..
That's fair enough, as an idea; although i wouldn't go so far as to say that it's a good or great idea. It's a bit meh
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-11-21 06:55 [#02005417]
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Well, I think, reading what Bill Drummond says (little Julian Cope joke), going from the premise "All music is shit (Discuss)", rather than reject everything just because of getting old, he wants a day to think about what he wants from music. And that his projects are open for other people to join with their own ideas, so you can have a No Music Day but for your own reasons, it's just ... a suggestion, it's not a call to ban music a la Iran in the 80s. It's a suggestion for you to perhaps take a day out to evaluate your relationship with music.
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Matvey
from Kiev (Ukraine) on 2006-11-21 07:20 [#02005423]
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sorry, i didn't know that and played a few tracks when got bored at work
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-21 08:16 [#02005442]
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what is it for? sounds like total shite
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-11-21 08:35 [#02005451]
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If I had to explain the concept of infinite space to someone I think the ideal example would be the arid, flyblown, barren landscape that is your mind.
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-21 08:51 [#02005465]
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hu hu hu
well presumably there would be people who would try it to test out their willpower, or to perhaps want to strenghten their appreciation for music by seeing what it is like to live without it for a while. blah blah.
but who came up with the idea in the first place, and what other agendas are there? i just bet theres some boring old fucks who "don't like music" who want to impose their miserable puritanic lives on everyone elserh46r
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SValx
from United Kingdom on 2006-11-21 08:55 [#02005470]
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have you even read the thread!?
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-11-21 09:03 [#02005473]
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You're not worth addressing because you're some sort of very boring lumpen arsehole, but you, in this instance, like a lot of people, jump straight to "WOT? NO MUSIC? FUCK OFF???" because you never see beyond what you expect to see.
The point of the exercise was to address the question of "All music is shite (Discuss)", it's an attempt to discuss music and individual's relation to it, instigated by one of the finest minds in art and pop music. If you listen to music all day and everyday then that obviously means it's something worth looking at (in the dubious sense anything in your fucking life is worth looking at)
But you, being the brilliant young astrophysicist apply all the incisive methodolgy you employ in your studies and come out with "sounds shit" because you're a criminal waste of materials and resources.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-11-21 09:12 [#02005477]
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actually, I'm curious about how those of you here who tried this did.. did you actively listen to whatever wasn't music, noticing it better, or was it just like sitting there without music (when you don't pay attention the sounds of the surroundings, but rather to what you're currently doing, like posting about not listening to music on xltronic)?
I know I sometimes become conscious of the sounds my keyboard makes when I'm typing or the sound of the rain outside or the water going through the radiator, but it's not something I bother with keeping my attention on for extended periods of time, and it would probably take some kind of extra effort to do it for a whole day... it'd also be cool to pay more attention to the sounds of people speaking, and not, as we usually do, to the content of their speech. I bet it'd make most conversations seem even sillier than they are...
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-11-21 09:23 [#02005480]
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Well 5 hours into it I've not consciously noticed much beyond every time I think I'll put some music on I remember not to. I don't know if it's so much to do with noticing environmental sounds and that as to do with, being more conscious of being in the here and now rather than being transported away by music. So many times music is on and it's annoying, as if it's just to replace silence or... non-music, as if that was something to be abhored. I feel I might be happier without music, it is a good day.
Ironically, or not, but the CD on top of the pile from yesterday is The KLF's "Chill Out".
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-21 09:26 [#02005483]
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actually, i didnt think "WOT? NO MUSIC? FUCK OFF???" at all. i thought it was a perculiar but interesting idea that i would read more about when i had more time.
and i have no idea how you can come to a conclusion about me as you did based on a few essentially irrelevant ramblings on some obscure website. and where the hell did the astrophysics come from?
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-21 09:27 [#02005484]
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and sometimes i do enjoy a lack of music, from time to time. when tired or engaged in something else, usually.
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DirtyPriest
from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2006-11-21 09:29 [#02005489]
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Pretty interesting article there. I'm convinced Björk is inspirered by him.
"I even have fantasies about waking up to find that all music has disappeared from the world. We can't even remember what it sounded like. We knew we had music, we knew it was important to us. In my fantasy we would have to start making music again from a year zero situation, with nothing but our voices. As I said, just a fantasy."
This is basically what her work "medulla" is all about.
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-11-21 09:40 [#02005492]
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I don't know how I've come to the conclusion that you're a fucking moron based on 4000 of your moronic posts. Clearly I am imagining things and you spend a lot of time pretending to be a moron.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-11-21 09:54 [#02005497]
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so it hasn't really made any impact outside of those situations when you think you should put some music on?
If it was to make you more conscious of the here and now, wouldn't that then imply listening more actively to the surroundings? I mean, if you're doing what you normally do, you're not really too conscious about being here now in the moment, but you're preoccupied and immersed in what you're doing. Like, I've been writing on my papers all day, and when I'm writing, I'm not really too conscious of the world around me.. I'll probably focus on it if prompted by some unusual sound or someone calling my name or something, but then only for a moment before I focus more exclusively on what was calling for my attention.. actually, it may be impossible to be wholly conscious of the here and now; you're always more immersed in some sort of task or project or whatever you may want to call it.
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I'm confusing myself now, I need to get back to writing.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-11-21 09:55 [#02005498]
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aren't you doing something with geology on other planets? you've talked about it, at least...
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-11-21 09:58 [#02005500]
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oh, wait
I guess
long story short
whatever you're doing right now, even if you're "carried away" by music or a book or your girlfriends eyes, that is the here and now; it's impossible to not be conscious of the here and now.
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-11-21 10:09 [#02005506]
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Well, I suppose that's true enough, as well. I don't know, maybe it has something to do with when does background music become counter-productive, passive and active listening, listening to music "for the sake of it" just to fill the lack of music.. I don't think these things have answers, and I am sure all sorts of scholars since year dot have it all sown up already.
But I don't think it's a bad exercise to do and it does get you thinking about "music" and its role, which I do think is valid, in the broader question of "Is music getting shitter?". Because whilst the music itself may not, quantifiably, be any better or worse than music that's come before, what may be getting "shitter" is our attitude toward it and our manner of consuming it.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-11-21 10:12 [#02005509]
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haha YES!
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-11-21 10:23 [#02005512]
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ah yeah, I know what you mean.. I never put on music "just to have it there" though I do some times put on background music. Mostly when working, but that's because my attention tends to drift off from what I'm doing if I don't have music. So, to be effective, I need the music to take up the part of my attention that would otherwise float off into speculation about some unrelated and often unimportant matter.
but yeah, it's probably a good thing to do every once in a while, especially if you feel yourself getting tired of even the music you love.. it's probably all due to oversaturation; even if you love something to death, putting it on the top of the hit lists for a month would turn you off it. That's probably where the way you consume it comes into play; just like a chewing gum looses its flavour after a while, being a hit can ruin any song. bla bla I hate mp3s the end.
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futureimage
from buy FIR from Juno (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-21 10:26 [#02005515]
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Too late, but this is just fucking pointless.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2006-11-21 10:34 [#02005522]
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A day isn't going to make a difference, I've done this before. If I did this for a week, or a month, it might be a revelatory adventure.
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-11-21 10:36 [#02005523]
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You're too young for it to have any meaning, you precocious egg.
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-21 11:04 [#02005552]
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your posts sound pretty moronic too at the moment - "if you dont agree with me, you are a pathetic waste of space" seems to be the general gist
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-21 11:05 [#02005555]
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and all the fart track name stuff. sounds pretty clever and sophisticated to me.
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ambsace
from canaDUH. on 2006-11-21 11:17 [#02005563]
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it really is unfortunate that this has to be on my birthday. i'll have to observe on the 23rd because...well. it's my birthday.
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-11-21 11:17 [#02005564]
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Can we talk about music in this thread and choose from among your hundreds of shit ones to talk about my failure to correctly identify you as an intellectual heavyweight there instead?
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-11-21 11:56 [#02005579]
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dunno what i would do all day long.
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