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i came to the point where i was going to ask me: "shit, what am i going to listen to NOW?" i was being unsatisfied with music and became really desperate... every once in a while i felt like Bill and enjoyed a classic but after that i fell into the pit again... now ive got internet access again and download shitloads of music i cant really give a full listen to i can imagine a day without bothering about music can be quite sane but having lots of diverse music styles in store prevents boredom and im spending much time on getting a collection of everything i loved and lent, forgot, or is damaged greatest find today: dub side of the moon some nice dub, nice bass guitar and the melodies are great of course since its an all time classic this album is the opposite of being disappointed by the "everything new is old" drama |
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Although I've already heard a fair bit of music today before finding this thread, the proposition is an interesting experiment. I'd like to see for myself whether my need for music is an aural addiction or habitual ritual. Dog_Belch, how many times have you had to remind yourself not to instinctually press play on a track today? |
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Quite a few, I'd say on average about every half hour. It just is interesting, beyond arguments of "music is shit" or whatever, as you say that impulse.. is there, to put something on. So, it's good to be mindful of it, because, is that urge there because I need music, or is there something I want to cover up or... you know, I think it's an interesting idea and something I'd say give a go at doing. |
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is that urge there because I need music, or is there something I want to cover up or... As much as I'm sure that I could go a day without, I actually do have the 'cover up' issues at night. I need music or fan/television ambience when I sleep. Theres something about that ringing silence at night. |
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it could be habit, but that's just as bad.. habitual enjoyment of music? when something is a habit it probably gets the same effect as oversaturation does only that you don't mind the song being there, you just tune it out. There's a therapy for tinnitus that works on this.. they find out the frequency of your tinnitus and then condition you so that you tune it out... |
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the whole habit thing I find keeps creating new rules for the ability to enjoy whatever the habit may be. for instance going on hiatus for certain genres or artists. it's pretty bad when you're so saturated that you need to do this. |
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Well that I think is an interesting point, the saturation. Before, if you had to seek out say a rare record by, oh I don't know, Aphex, in order to hear it... but now, you can download his ENTIRE OEUVRE from some satanic bumhole like Oink and... ok, you've got the lot. But what's interesting I think is that notion of consciously enforcing a hiatus on listening to an artist that previously "naturally" occured due to the scarcity of their records. |
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I'd actually prefer it if someone sued the asses of all file sharing programs right now; I even find myself succumbing to the sudden urge for some silly song by downloading it off the internet, and I hate it.. I feel way better about putting on a vinyl that I had to travel to another city to get a hold of (like some remixes of nils petter molvær that I have that first were on order from holland for two months and then I found them in oslo so I took a trip to visit my brother and buy some vinyl) than putting on some mp3 shit. |
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I agree, and I would close down Oink and sue their arses and put them in jail, I believe they are destroying culture, whilst they'll say they are disseminating it. |
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how often do you find yourself putting on a record and giving it a start to finish introspect. most of the time we've got a track stuck in our heads and must rush to the closest click to download it. which is all the more interesting considering this topic. in the silence, we're actually humming something we'de like to hear. |
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I'm concious of keep piping up in this thread, but again, I did think of that, or something along those lines, looking at all my silent CDs, thinking if they'd never be played again. Could I just look at them and remember the music and hum it along in my (sodden beermat) of a brain, would they still "live" in that sense. I'll shut up now. Next project should be No dog_belch day. |
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outside of those songs I don't care about, but that other people like to put on at parties (who the fuck bothers with buying franz ferdinand songs?), I'm going to delete all my mp3s. |
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I always listen to albums all the way through. Or.. I may sometimes have other stuff to do so I have to stop listening, but I never put on an album to hear one song and then change to another album. That's musical ADHD and comes with the mp3s, and I hate it. I won't pretend I always actively listen 100% of the time through the album (I don't always have an hour to spend being ineffective), but I have the album on from start to end, and it's there, I'm listening.. I may just be focused on something else at times. I'm putting that molvær vinyl on right now 'cause I took a six hour train to get it. |
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I can recommend it, btw.. it's the Solid Ether Remixes. |
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"I'll shut up now. Next project should be No dog_belch day. " please don't. Outside of the odd shortlived "album by artist is really good --- yes! --- yes! --- no! --- yes!" thread, this is maybe the only proper music talk thread we've had all year. |
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i couldn't have a "no music day" even if i actually wanted to... there would always be some music "playing" in my head. |
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Well, this is the thing, the whole loose concept of "No Music Day" is obviously in order to bring about a discussion about music in a general sense, so this knee jerk reaction from some people with "wtf??? this is stooopid" is just, depressing and misses the point. |
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I just realised I never clicked any links in this thread, mostly because I wasn't going to participate (maybe I'll do it after the 27th). However, I was kind of thinking there could be some other reason to do this, as I indicated earlier. Like with 4'33" or something where it'd be more about actively listening to all sounds around you.. I'd probably just get a really bad urge to buy a portable recorder and sample some stuff for making music or something, but hopefully I'd notice more things around me.. like I some times do when I'm in some mood where I notice weird details on things around me. This one time I saw a fork stuck in a wall, and another time there was a very bright and shiny marble reflecting the light of the sun in the middle of a really really dirt gutter... it sounds kind of pretentious, but I really enjoy noticing those things from time to time, but I've never done it properly with sounds, and I bet there are lots of weird sounds that you never notice in everyday activities... |
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I don't listen to a whole lot of music anyway, it doesn't take much for me to get over saturated. What's really interesting is when I have to drive for about 3 hours or more and I've forgotten to bring music (radio is not an option). I find myself babbling and performing things; sometimes I try to make the loudest scream I can, or the most terrible noise. Then I laugh loudly and continue a conversation that went unfavorably for me... It's dream-like; it lets me organize my thoughts, which can definately be an uncomfortable thing to do. Music can be like any vice; for drunken mastah it seems to take the place of coffee (as many people need coffee to work or concentrate). I think "no music day" is mostly for those people who say "what!!? no music?! music is my life!"; those people who haven't even thought about the possibility of negative effects from music. With other vices, it's more known that there are negative qualities, so there can be, potentially, a bit of self-regulation. Time to get off the internet. |
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not quite time to get off the internet. you mentioned how you'd probably get an urge to record things to make music if you weren't listening to music. That's exactly the reaction I had some time ago; I wanted to record interesting sound environments because I thought they were so interesting. But that's just the thing, the sounds are interesting there in the environment they're from. To record them and have people listen to them as music would just be silly, it would kill the beauty of it, just like how performance music is thought sometimes to have been killed, or defeated. Or something |
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oh, yeah, I usually beatbox, sing and hum a bit if I don't have music available... and when I write the synth is always right in front of me, so I'll try and create a new tune or something. I may indeed be addicted, yes, but thus far I haven't really gotten that feeling of over-saturation with too many things; I rotate quite a bit, and I also mostly listen to vinyl and cds, so I have to put an effort in if I'm going to listen to something, and if I want new music I go out and buy it, so.. well, I guess it's worth something outside of the music itself (not talking money or even the effort of getting it, but.. there's something). Of course, this could be the same for anyone else, even those who only have mp3s, but I like to think not and I take the mp3 music adhd as a proof of that. |
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Which is related to what Bill Drummond says about the whole "No Music " thing when he says... "It has nothing to do with the genre and everything to do with the fact that it's just there on tap. Maybe I want music that is to do with place and time and occasion; music that we can only ever hear if we travel to one specific place at one special time. This does not mean Pink Floyd at Live8." |
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yeah, field recordings rarely fill the same purpose in a song as they do when you are where you record them; a birds song may be beautiful on a day in a park, but when it's in the middle of a sawtooth synth chord, it's just cheesy; a stream may cluck its mesmerising beat when you're staring into its water trying to figure out if the shiny thing on the bottom is just a rock or a clock someone dropped or a lump of gold or something, but in a song it makes you want to pee plus it's cheesy. haha, writing this, I feel like I sometimes do when I'm at a café discussing philosophy.. some of the.. technical talk.. can often sound like complete bullshit if you don't know explicitly what it means in the context we're using it in, so I feel like people who seem to hear what we're saying are somehow judging us. Not that it should matter, but sometimes it does anyway. |
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did anyone besides dog do this, btw? |
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yeah! discussing anything within earshot of other-people is always something I don't like to do. One of my friends will often do the very opposite of me; he'll start yelling or speaking very loudly about, say, the latest dnd video game. He's kinda slow and it's hard to convey any complex concepts, so we're usually talking about something pretty dumb when he starts drawing attention. ...but it doesn't have to be a stupid topic for me to get embarrassed |
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Without realising, Mr Pickles and I just cracked. |
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totally missed that one. played music all day long |
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no it isn't depending on the subject, it's just rather how it sounds.. like, if I were at a café and I overheard someone talking about the transcendence-transcended and radical choices, I'd be laughing on the inside, but sometimes.. sometimes I "catch myself" doing it; I hear myself going "yeah, but, like, when he says you are not what you are and you are what you are not" then I pause and laugh a little bit before I finish the sentence. |
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I just got an (admittedly very brief) email from Bill Drummond, after I wrote to the No Music site on the day. I'm going to print it out and frame it, OH HAPPY DAY! What a man.. The Man. |
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Post it! |
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