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made me think about the influence of quality on my musical perception. actually - after downloading a few albums of autechre in flac format - i realised that i now like some tracks more then i did before and some tracks less. for example - the whole untilted sounds 1000 times better on flac then on mp3 - the bass suddenlt makes sense - all the bits and pieces start to live. even fermium, which was my least favourite kind of got better. the same with pen expers - the track suddenly got so deep and raw that it punches me into my chair! on the other hand - gantz graf started to suck in flac. oh my god - one of the most important and best electronic track in the world got much to raw. the beginning is now terribly sloppy and got so much edges and sharpness. in mp3 it got more mild and soft - i liked that one better! i'm curious how other improvements of the quality would influence me, like better monitors, better soundcard and so on. made me kinda scared ! |
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your hearing it the way it's supposed to be heard, buy the cd foo' |
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just buy the fucking CD and play it on a stereo system. |
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i have to admit that this convinced me really to buy orignal albums. untilted is on my list - and all richard devine albums too - i'm afraid how good they will sound |
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CD's sound like shit nowadays anyway, they're mastered too loud and compressed too much. |
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well I can tell you that "arc-acid" scared the shit out of my mates |
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i wonder what his new dvd will sound like... 5.1 format and dvd quality ? fuckin hell shockin raw bitch |
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maybe you're right - but on the other it seems like cd's will be the only right format for a some time. i'm curious why the super audio cd idea was dropped. i listened to some pearl jam concert (or some other rock band) in a professional studio in surround and i was blewn away completely |
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haven't heard about it. tell more. |
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his next release is meant to be a 5.1 surround cd on schematic. no further info here... he said it in a interview shortly after the release of cautella. he somehow disappeared now so i hope he is working on it. on the other hand - i just realised that the schematic label site hasn't beed updated since march and there were now further releases on it... maybe they have financial problems. i hope they won't go down because imho this is one of the most interesting labels lately. and i doubt that hymen would release his dvd |
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high quality audio doesn't make up for lack of talent, does it? |
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mastering hasn't really much to do with talent. |
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No, but if someone is talented, then you're not gonna appreciate it 100% on a shitty recording. |
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sometimes it seems that the mastering and recording is shit but on the other hand it can be also inspiring |
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ive never tried FLAC, i tend to buy CD copies and rip them at a high bitrate mp3. |
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Yeah, some music suits being lo fi, but not supastar idmz. |
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se564 |
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vinyl |
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if anybody has the basic channel collection (9 eps) in flac (or any other lossless format), you can give me a call. i NEED them |
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Depends on what you're listening to. Sure, most commercial releases are. |
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already have them, fool. i just want them digital, and was wondering if any of you wizkids already had them in flac. ...it looks like i have to do it myself anyways |
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Had the exact same thing with Gantz Graf. My beloved song became flat. |
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boc in 48kbit mp3 is actually pretty good |
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If you think CD sounds great then listen to vinyl. Fucking ace. |
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True... good vinyl on a good player kicks CDs asses anytime... FLAC is pretty sweet I agree, I only really heard stuff in FLAC like live bootlegged shows and such.... thats where its best. Uncompressed audio is great. Big files ofcourse.. Vinyl is my favourite... and nearly at a tie just because of sheer coolness is 5.1 Dualdisc or SACDs.... fuckin 5.1 surround sound (on my 7.1 system!) sounds wonderful.... I love the NIN stuff in surround sound... so lush and wonderful! Just fuckin amazing truly.... if you havent heard surround sound authored audio DVDs or SACDS I highly reccomend it. A truly great experience. |
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Digital is never as good as analog for sound just because the process of digitizing music takes out certain "peaks and valleys" of the actual sound wave, even at the highest end (flac level 8) of digital encoding at this time..... thats why vinyl is awesome is because the needle is travelling over an exact replica of the original sound wave imprinted on the wax.. heh.... |
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lol |
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With mp3 you can also tweak it a bit if you, for instance, prefer frequency cutoff to ringing artifacts. The presets are for a broad range of music and don't have to be optimal for everything. I've also noticed I liked certain music a lot more as mp3 than in flac form. I had the same thing with music recorded to audiotape which I liked much more that the CD version. Audio"quality" is very subjective and some music just sounds much more pleasant in low quality. |
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i still don't get the whole vinyl-hype thing. i have a few dozen 12 inches including apparat, aphex, autechre and i still cannot say that vinyl is better in any case then digital recording. i mean - how could it - the same material is pressed on cd and vinyl the same way - there is no additional mastering or anything. so the thing that is on vinyl is exactly the same as cd. on the other hand - vinyl is getting dirty, it gets scratches - it's a bitch to take care of. and there are to many things that influence the sound - the stylus, the turntable, dust, the preamp/mixer. |
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never heard flac before. |
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i agree. although in theory analog will always be better, there are so many things in practice which influence quality. so much more than in the digital world. vinyl has the potential to sound better, but in practice it rarely does. it's probably the burning fire in the background which makes it more cozier. nostalgia is a powerful tool |
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i prefer gantz graf on vinyl. |
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Ogg vorbis might be a good compromise: it has much more transparant audioquality than mp3 and it isn't as big as FLAC. Ogg Vorbis at Q6 (+/-192 kbs) sounds excellent to the point where I can no longer tell the difference with lossless in 99% of music, and when there is a difference, it isn't as annoying like mp3 sometimes is. |
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oh man... |
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That's only partially correct. On the CD it's converted into a load of 0s and 1s and a compressed frequency range. |
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If its a good record player and a good record then it is quite clearly the higher quality choice. There is a huge difference, like when I said... when its converted into digital formats certain parts of the actual audio gets cut out, its just the natural process, a record is the exact copy of the actual sound waves into an actual medium such as the vinyl record its self... ofcourse it can get dirty and stuff, its how you keep it clean and all that .... thats what matters. Vinyl hype? Its been around for a while now me thinks hehe.. a long while, its just nicer, bigger pictures and notes, bigger piece of music I guess.... and yeah if its good stuff it can sound better, you get a better seperation of sounds with it. |
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the stereo system/speakers/sound card is also important... not only the quality of the rip |
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lots of difference and it is indeed mastered differently; there's one master for cd and one for vinyl. cd can't handle the amount of information required to reproduce the vinyl sound, so they cut what they think you won't notice being cut. |
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philosofy of art |
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flac off! |
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I wouldn't say that vinyl is objectively "better" but it does have a certain character that the CD format doesn't have. I'm not talking about liking it for being lo-fi or building up imperfections or any other indie-head retro shit like that, I'm talking about how the bass sound hits you in a certain way, or the chunkiness of it or whatever, you know that nice qaulity well mastered new records have. |
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actually it's the other way around! when mastering for vinyl pressing you have to filter out the deepest bass and the highest highs. also vinyl records cant handle hard L/R pan of low frequencies so they have to be in the middle. also, the dynamic range of vinyl records is much less than on digital audio. and there also differences in the quality of pressing and materials and formats also have differences -> 12" 45pm should be the most hi-fi, 33rpm 7" most lo-fi. with cd it's simpler: whatever you can do within 44khz 16bit stereo audio it's possible to press on audio cd, even if your stereo can't play it properly... not commenting on which format is better. |
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that's probably why it's got dropped. Not enough people can listen to SACD's in a professional studio. And you need decent equipment to even appreciate it. |
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