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offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-05-12 03:07 [#01897315]
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ok, I really really want a hardware sampler now, but as far
as I know they're all dead expensive.. however, I'm hoping
for some recommendations for some reasonably priced ones...

I need
the ability to map a sample onto a keyboard so that I can
play different pitches using the synth as a midi controller
accurate cutting ability
velocity/pressure sensitive pads
a few easy effects (eq, vibrato, resonant filter ++.. the
basics, so I guess most samplers have these)
..and maybe something else, but I can't think anything up
right now...

does anyone know if that cheap-ish electribe sampler thingie
can do this?


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2006-05-12 03:07 [#01897316]
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yamaha a4000


 

offline unabomber from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-05-12 03:09 [#01897318]
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I don't think the Electribe will work as a midi controller
accurate cutting ability velocity/pressure sensitive pads...


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-05-12 03:15 [#01897319]
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no pads


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-05-12 03:16 [#01897320]
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ok. what are the midi ins on those things for then?
I've seen lots of samplers that have midi ins, but you can't
really use the midi in for anything.. you can hook stuff up
and feel good about yourself or something, but that's about
it...


 

offline unabomber from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-05-12 03:19 [#01897323]
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...hook a keyboard controller...


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-05-12 03:20 [#01897325]
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yeah, we tried that on my cousins sampler, but we couldn't
really control anything with it...


 

offline unabomber from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-05-12 03:24 [#01897330]
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Well, that doesn't mean it's not possible...

But if you're lookin' for cool pads, the Akai MPC series
seem the best.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-05-12 03:27 [#01897331]
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yeah, I've been looking at the MPCs, but they don't seem to
have that keyboard mapping ability either... I don't just
want to use the keyboard to play back the sounds on each
pad, I want to use it to map a sound all across the keyboard
so that I can play the different pitches with the sample.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-05-12 03:27 [#01897332]
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plus they're damned expensive


 

offline unabomber from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-05-12 03:27 [#01897333]
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And don't trust me, 'cause here's the sampler I use
actually...


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offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-05-12 03:28 [#01897334]
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haha, that looks awesome!


 

offline unabomber from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-05-12 03:29 [#01897336]
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Sure they have it!


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-05-12 03:31 [#01897339]
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they have pitch play?

I read through the manual (mpc1000), but it didn't seem like
I could do much more than trigger individual sounds from the
keyboard while pitch playing was something I could only do
with the pads or something and then only within one
octave...


 

offline unabomber from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-05-12 03:40 [#01897340]
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Well, never had one in my hands actually. But I'm quite sure
the pitch can be controlled with a keyboard...

Best you can do is wait for the tech geeks (Taxidermist
maybe) and they will fill you with good advice.

BTW, I can sample my fart, reverse it, loop it, map it
across all keyboard and play a melody with it in my SK1 in
less time than you say WHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISKEY!!

Or DETRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRROIT!!!

But not MASSSSSSSSSACHHUSSSSSSSETTTTTTTTSSSS!!!!


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-05-12 04:00 [#01897349]
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can you do

KKKKKKKUUUUUUUUUAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLUUUU
UUUUMMMMMMMMMPPPPPPPPPUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
!!

?


 

offline unabomber from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-05-12 04:05 [#01897351]
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Yeah!
And still plenty of time left for some belly dancin'...


 

offline zero-cool on 2006-05-12 04:07 [#01897353]
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kualalumpur?


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-05-12 04:08 [#01897354]
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mais oui


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-05-12 04:11 [#01897358]
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You need the Yosemite sampler :)


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offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-05-12 04:13 [#01897361]
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oooooo! I'll get right on it!


 

offline obara from Utrecht on 2006-05-12 04:16 [#01897366]
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casio sa-5 is better or even the bestest, because I
use it !


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offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-05-12 04:17 [#01897368]
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I heard Aphex uses one. I think each of those embroidered
fish/trees/etc. is a trigger pad.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-05-12 04:18 [#01897370]
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oh, I thought it was one of those you controlled through
meditation and prayer..?


 

offline unabomber from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-05-12 04:18 [#01897371]
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Whooooa!!

Nice one. Looks quite similar to tha SK1...
How much you want for it?


 

offline obara from Utrecht on 2006-05-12 04:23 [#01897373]
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it's priceless. but someday it's gonna be worth zillions.

[in other words: sorry, it's not for sale]
[yet]


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2006-05-12 05:08 [#01897386]
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Get an mpc.

But what other things do you want. The yamaha aX000 series
is somewhat affordable, they are suposed to sound pretty
decent and have a vast array of neat effects. Akai sX000
samplers are really good. If you have over a thousand
dollars you can get one of the akai z samplers.

But buying a sampler really isn't that expensive. Go
conservative, get yourself a used akai s3000 for $200 or so,
or a yamaha a4000 (those go used for $300 tp $400). An akai
s1000 will cost you less than $100.

I would suggest an mpc tho. MPC 1000. It rocks.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-05-12 05:10 [#01897387]
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ok, so you can confirm that the mpc 1000 has all the
features I need? the most important one is really the
ability to map one sample over the entire keyboard...


 

offline Dannn_ from United Kingdom on 2006-05-12 05:22 [#01897391]
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you cant sample with the SA-5 can you?


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2006-05-12 05:26 [#01897393]
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Well, insofar as I use it, it has a lot of features that I
find I need. You can map the samples across the pads, or
across your keys, but that takes a bit of time. They probly
have something to do that, but I never use it, or ever feel
the need to use it, so I haven't looked into it. What you
can do is when you press a pad that is assigned to a sample,
you can press the 16 levels button, and it gives you the
option to temporarily map that sample from the lowest note
at pad 1 to the highest note at pad 16. It will
automatically recal that assignment afterwards, until you
switch it off...

But you can copy a note to a bunch of different pads, and
then just change their tune.


 

offline obara from Utrecht on 2006-05-12 05:33 [#01897394]
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no, but i can use its sounds as samples


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-05-12 05:35 [#01897395]
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yeah, I don't really mind if it takes time, I just want to
be able to do it.. it shouldn't be too hard if I just want
one sample stretched out across the entire keyboard anyway..
I'd just have to set lower, upper and root unless they have
a really silly system... is it also possible to create a
loop within a sample? like if I have a sample of a sinewave
(to keep it simple) and I map this to the keyboard, it'll be
shorter and shorter the higher the notes I play so I'd need
to loop a part of it as long as the key is pressed...


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2006-05-12 05:36 [#01897396]
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Yeah. You can loop sounds with it.


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2006-05-12 05:38 [#01897397]
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Seriously. Everything is covered. You don't need a computer
at all. you can even mix down loops onto compact flash
within it. Automate effect sends. Record samples while its
playing for things like doing basslines or scratching. Lots
of fun stuff.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-05-12 05:38 [#01897398]
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yeah, but just a part of the currently selected sound,
right?

I tried a very small sampler thingie (one of those you hold
in your hand) and the only loop setting it had was to loop
the entire sample.. I have no idea what's "normal" for
samplers as I haven't really played around with them too
much and shops only have some in stock (they usually stock
crap ones for some reason) so there isn't much for me to try
out or play around with...


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-05-12 05:39 [#01897399]
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I guess I'll keep an eye out for a used one then or hope
someone has a mega-sale or something 'cause I don't have
10000 kroner to spend on it...


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2006-05-12 05:45 [#01897402]
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No. You can loop all your different sounds at various
points. You can even turn looping on and off while its
playing.

Its not like you have one selected sound. You can have upt
to 64 different sounds in each program, and have something
like 64 different programs happening being sequenced
simultaniously, so provided you haven't maxed out the
memory, you can have something like 4000 different sounds in
one sequence. You can also arrange sequences in the song
arranger, and have up to 99 different sequences happening.
It can get pretty massive.


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2006-05-12 05:47 [#01897404]
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Yeah. They are great. Get one if you ever find them at a
price you can afford. They can go for very reasonble prices
on ebay.


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2006-05-12 12:56 [#01897672]
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Although don't quote me on those numbers. I have never come
close to maxing out the alloted programs. I usually end up
maxing out the memory first.


 

offline nurse from a darkness more than night (Finland) on 2006-05-12 13:34 [#01897701]
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just ordered a mpc-1000 black a few days ago. i have wanted
one for quite some time, can't wait!

is it easy to get to grips with, does it have a long
learning curve?


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2006-05-13 00:15 [#01897873]
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Hmmm. It took me an hour to get all the basics down. Its
easy to forget a few of the more specific things, but you
eventually remember where everything is. You should sit
there with the manual at side for the first couple days.

One note tho: some people think when you are trimming
samples, you can't change the resolution of the selector.
You can. All you need to do is hold down shift and press the
left cursor button. That won't make sence to you until you
try to edit a sample, but it will save you a lot of needless
frustration.

Have fun!!


 

offline blobula from BElgraDe on 2006-05-13 03:32 [#01897894]
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korg eelctribe esx has built in 'keyboard' sample playing -
and you can loop any part of the sound. no velocity, but
instant midi keyboard works, lots of efx...less memory than
in mpc 1000, this is more fore sound design than
performance, for which the mpc is unbeatable.


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2006-05-13 04:09 [#01897914]
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interface is everything. Id get an mpc... I want a 2000xl
though.


 

offline pf from Finland on 2006-05-13 04:17 [#01897918]
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I've allways wanted a SP-303.


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2006-05-13 04:52 [#01897923]
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The features of the 1000 are pretty much the same as a
2000xl. The only thing it doesn't have is a tilted screen.


 

offline dave_g from United Kingdom on 2006-05-13 06:08 [#01897936]
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I've got a SP303. The sampling section is a bit rubbish, but
good for loading up with an 808 on banks A and B, then
atmospheric loops and longer stuff on the memory card on C
and D.

The effects section is killer. Some of the effects are
excellent. And the bit where you can turn off the LFO for
the phaser and manually adjust it is great. Tape delay is a
lot of fun to play with as is the formant thingy.

Editing samples and moving them around, etc is a pain, so
just do it on computer transfer them on memory card and
leave them once they are on. use the memory like i said, A/B
as a drum kit and C/D as longer looped atmosphereics, etc
and its a brilliant box of tricks when you need to inject
something into a mix.


 

offline lateral speid from LOS ANGELES (United States) on 2006-05-13 10:09 [#01898036]
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the MPC series will do you right it has mapping capability
for playing pitched samples plus you can asign the slider to
act as a bitch bend would but it has more of a pitch
portamento effect aside from that the sequencer is ultra
tight it never fails me

but the baddest bitch of them all is the kurzweil using
VAST
absolutely limitless and bottomless as far as editing
mangling and sound design creations it has the best FX board
you can get
and dont forget the Triple Modular Synthesis bonus
and it automaps your samples into programs for playback


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2006-05-13 12:15 [#01898087]
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bottomless can be a detriment


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2006-05-13 13:51 [#01898112]
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I've wanted one of those kurzweil samplers for a while now,
but I never actually get a chance to talk to someone who has
used one. So they are as good as they sound?


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2006-05-13 14:16 [#01898118]
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wait a second. Do you know a way to automap samples across
the keyboard? or is their only the manual method?


 


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