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offline Taffmonster from dog_belch (Japan) on 2006-05-07 19:51 [#01894625]
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I finally finished the series... Not sure if i like dthe
end yet, needs to sink in a little. Anyone else read these?


 

offline Oddioblender from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2006-05-07 20:23 [#01894632]
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funny you mention it, i just finished book seven myself.

i had to read the ending twice to believe it, but....


 

offline Oddioblender from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2006-05-07 20:24 [#01894633]
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**SPOILER ALERT!!!!*****

I think Roland got what he deserved in the end. If you look
at the path behind him and the events that occurred in Dark
Tower, as well as the NIN-quote at the book's preface,
Roland is a sympathetic character, but he also puts all
things aside in search of his precious tower. So, in the
end, are you truly surprised?

**spoiler alert!!!!!!!!!********


 

offline Oddioblender from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2006-05-07 20:27 [#01894634]
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i think i started reading the series in high school, with
the original Gunslinger book. (i have a copy somewhere, and
someone is borrowing it, so it's probably gone along with my
copy of Susannah's Song) I actually skipped Wizard in Glass
like an idiot, then went ahead and read Wolves of the
Calla, so I had to backtrack later, then I read Susannah's
Song.

But it is definitely one of my favorite series - IF NOT MY
FAVORITE.


 

offline Oddioblender from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2006-05-07 20:28 [#01894635]
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eeek.... it's 9:19am on my comp's clock....


 

offline Taffmonster from dog_belch (Japan) on 2006-05-08 02:36 [#01894689]
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******SPOILERS*********

I'm still not sure about the end. the fact that he now has
the horn to me suggests that its not en endless loop (ka is
a wheel) but has an actual end which we will never find out
about. I kinda think he should have died atop the tower
myself.

I dunno it's still sinking in

******************************************************


 

offline felch king on 2006-05-08 03:23 [#01894698]
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It all sounds a bit geeky.


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2006-05-08 03:30 [#01894700]
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Read them all a couple of months ago and LOVED them.

A note to all who would read the series: Steve Roach's
ambient album "Midnight Moon" is the PERFECT soundtrack to
these books, with the occasional switch to Lustmord or Tomas
Koner for the darker parts.

***spoilers***
I liked the end. The horn is the key and it is my theory
that the Gunslinger forsakes the Tower on this, his last run
through, by saving Jake in the mines rather then letting him
fall. Roland blowing the Horn for himself IS the Tower, and
the Tower always has been Redepmtion.

What I did not like about the last book was Flagg's demise.
He was never really a "central" character in this series as
he was in The Stand, Eye Of The Dragon etc, but if this was
his Death of all Death's I think we deserved to see a little
better then such a quick and somewhat contrived offing from
Mordred.

For my money, Wizard And Glass was the best book of the
series and the best Stephen King book I've read yet.

****end spoilers****



 

offline felch king on 2006-05-08 03:34 [#01894703]
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"Roland blowing the Horn for himself"

WHAT A FUCKING MAN! I wish I could do that.


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2006-05-08 03:35 [#01894704]
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haha, read the books before you judge! ;p


 

offline i_x_ten from arsemuncher on 2006-05-08 03:46 [#01894705]
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i read all the spoilers and now i'm never going to read
these books ever. yesssss


 

offline Taffmonster from dog_belch (Japan) on 2006-05-08 04:14 [#01894712]
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***********SPOILERS**********

I saw the repetition more as meaning that the cycle "is" the
tower. in a sense Roland is the lynch pin to existence if ya
ken me.

I loved the whole series, not sure i can pick a favourite as
i read them straight one after the other and they have all
merged in my head. Although the first does stand out to me.

I did dislike the whole "Stephen King" bit (The Writter). I
found it kinda reminded me i was reading a book which spoilt
the atmosphere and it seemed some what pompous to give
himself such a hig seated role as gan's mouth piece.

As for Flag's death, i liked it although it kinda left me
thinking it was a shame Roland didn't get the kill.

I thought the crimson king was kinda weak, for such a
powerful thing the fact that he only had sneeches was kinda
lame. You'd think he'd have some wizardly powers, it seemed
Flag was more powerful than the king himself.

I still can't decide about the end. I think i am just pissed
off that Jake and Oy died, i really had it set in my head
that it would be Jake to climb the tower not Roland.
Although when Eddie and Jake were brothers in the alternate
new york i got a bit emotional (emo).

My heads a'spinning indeed.


 

offline Taffmonster from dog_belch (Japan) on 2006-05-08 04:17 [#01894716]
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btw have you seen teh sergio leone films?
i saw the first of the three after reaidng the first book.


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offline zero-cool on 2006-05-08 04:45 [#01894731]
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i was tried to read neuromancer :|


 

offline Ezkerraldean from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-05-08 06:44 [#01894758]
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Roland? TB-606?
ive got one of those pot noodle horns


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2006-05-08 06:53 [#01894762]
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Yeah, I've watched the Sergio Leone movies (Good Bad & The
Ugly etc) awhile before I read these books, I most definatly
had Clint Eastwood in mind as Roland.

***spoilers***
I :loved: having Stephen King insert himself into the story.
Those parts were so awsome to read. I especially loved the
journal he put in back of Song Of Susannah. Just look at it
this way: In Roland's world the Tower is the Tower. In *Our*
world (or the keystone world as he called it) Stephen King
is the tower and we get the story through him. I know it's
not for everyone but I found that to be an awsome dynamic.

Read his OTHER Dark Tower connected books (Salem's Lot,
Hearts in Atlants, It, The Stand, Insomnia, Eyes of the
Dragon, Rose Madder, Desperation, The Regulators, and even a
few more that arent coming to mind), and someday come back
and re-read these last three, and you might appreciate what
he was trying to do here a little more.

You have to remember that the Crimson King was trapped
outside the Tower (physically and symbollically, and when
you think about it all the tower was symbolism anyway) he
was lucky he even had access to the Sneetches. His Breaker
plan failed (the showdown at Algul Siento was the best part
of book 7) and he ran off to the Tower on his own as a last
attempt sort of thing, in many ways digging his own grave
before Roland even got there.

What WAS contrived about that whole part was Patrick
Danville coming into the story at a very opportune time, but
if you read "Insomnia" you will give him a lot more
credibilty, as he and the crimson king are tied into that
book further.

The ending itself was great. It's open to interpertation, as
many of King's endings are. I love that about his work, but
I can see why that would piss some people off if you have to
have closure.

***end spoilers***


 

offline aphextriplet from your mothers bedroom (United Kingdom) on 2006-05-08 07:00 [#01894765]
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stephen king writes like a 15 year old with downs syndrome


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2006-05-08 07:02 [#01894766]
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which books of his have you read to base this comment upon?


 

offline Taffmonster from dog_belch (Japan) on 2006-05-08 07:28 [#01894772]
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i got to admit, baring the stand and kingdom hospital (i
loved thats eries), i am not huge a king fan, but dark tower
is genuinly a great piece of work. an epic masterpiece and
as king said himself its not in the ending its in the
journey and i can't fault that at all.


 

offline JAroen from the pineal gland on 2006-05-08 09:09 [#01894822]
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I've read 90% of his work, and pretty awesome how everything
is interconnected. I can't help hating the book 7 and 6
though (5 was pretty meh too), it feels like he got real
bored and pulled some silly trick on his readers by writing
himself into it. *SPOILER* the way flagg dies is so
pathetic, and mordreds demise makes everything he's been
building up to totally pointless. The vamp is pretty okay in
my book, and so is the young boy they rescue near the end,
but..

kinda weak. i agree that its more about the journey, but it
could have been better imo

my 2 cents.


 

offline JAroen from the pineal gland on 2006-05-08 09:09 [#01894823]
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oh yes you mean the stuff with clint eastwood? the books
made me order the dvd's, excellent stuff


 

offline 010101 from Vancouver (Canada) on 2006-05-08 10:58 [#01894887]
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MORE_HERE

My personal favorite was the drawing of the three.


 


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