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theo himself
from +- on 2005-11-10 21:23 [#01775217]
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Does anyone else have this piece of equipment!? it is perhaps the greatest thing I've come across - it's almost as if it were custom made for me. it's intense
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DaggerHappy
from Australia on 2005-11-10 21:56 [#01775222]
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my friends brother has it
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2005-11-11 00:06 [#01775252]
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Yeah. KP2 = Uproarious fun for the whole gang.
My problems with it are more studio related. Automations and saved settings are hard to do, so it ends up being a lot of notetaking. It would also be nice if you could save and load the two samples from compact flash or something equivalent.
Otherwise, great piece of gear. Well worth the price of admission :)
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futureimage
from buy FIR from Juno (United Kingdom) on 2005-11-11 00:15 [#01775259]
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I have Numark's EM260 Kaoss Pad Mixer. It's great.
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2005-11-11 00:50 [#01775273]
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just googled it, that thing looks pretty niftical but I've never seen one in a store, much less played around with one. :(
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2005-11-11 01:02 [#01775274]
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Hmmm. Maybe ask the staff at the nearby gear retailer. They are always in high demand, so the stores usually try to keep them in stock. Before christmas, they will probly start displaying one.
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pigster
from melbs on 2005-11-11 01:15 [#01775275]
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oh yeah my bro has one and they are fun. i havent touched it in ages, but when he first got it i used to play around sampling stuff onto it from cds (beck stuff) and just playing with all the effects and crap : P
the jesus machine : )
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2005-11-11 01:24 [#01775276]
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Its fun sampling your voice or something, and then scratching it out overtop of a beat
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2005-11-11 03:07 [#01775288]
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I've got a KP1. Good fun. I'd not use it on a studio track, but for playing live they're a good laugh. The large number of effects included means they're good for an "all in one" fx box for djing. A pair of electribes, mixer with filters and a Kaoss pad = comparatively cheap and fairly versatile "live" setup for most techno styles. I'm still thinking about getting a sampler (dunno whether to go for an electribe sampler or a cheaper mpc), so that I'll be able to do complete tracks on nothing but them.
I'm also looking at other ways to use it as a midi controller (having seen the NI Tim Exile video). In the past I've used it in midi mode to control cutoff and resonance on an audiorealism bassline and that was really good (one handed acid- so you can use the other to change patterns/tweak another parameter).
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manicminer
from Paris (France) on 2005-11-11 03:45 [#01775304]
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Ceri - if you're looking for a phrase sampler type of thing, don't overlook the Roland SP808 EX. It's a fairly underrated machine and they go really cheaply on eBay nowadays.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2005-11-11 04:59 [#01775338]
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IMO:
If you are looking for something for a live setup, then the SP808 that manicminer suggested is a good choice. Aparently, it has practically everything, each different thing they have are very limited. Used as a live instrument, its supposed to come together very well.
For both live and studio, then I would suggest a mpc1000. With the new OS, it should more than equals the mpc2kxl at half the cost and size.
I would suggest against the electribe sampler. They seem good and tight and all, but arent comparable the mpc.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2005-11-11 05:08 [#01775343]
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Thanks, I'll consider that one. Another one I was looking at was the red sound cycloops. It's pretty (extremely) basic, but for DJ style 1 or 2 bar loops, it's ideal. V. small too. The only reason I've not bought one already is that it doesn't offer that much more than the 'toy' sampler built into the KP.
Taxidermist, yes, it's the mpc1000 I've been looking at. Can't see any second hand ones around yet and even then, given akai's technics-like resale values, it'll still be £400ish, which is a fair whack more than the ES1.
What's people's opinon on using an ES1 with an akai pad style midi controller?
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2005-11-11 05:21 [#01775350]
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You should be able to find one for about £300. Either way, I have been finding lately that its usually benefitial to wait it out and spend the couple extra dollars instead of buying the more affordable piece of gear. Although after the microkorg incident, I kind of have a bias against the signal generating capacities of korg gear.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2005-11-11 05:38 [#01775358]
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Definatey, I have no problem postponing getting something and saving for the better version if I'll use it regularly. My decks took a year to save for and then the replacement mixer I got was another 6 months. :)
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2005-11-11 05:41 [#01775360]
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are you looking for something just to layer small loops down into a sequence?
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2005-11-11 05:45 [#01775361]
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I'm undecided. At the least, I'd like a single channel looper, so I could effectively use 2 decks and the sampler as 3 channels. Looking at more functionality, I'd like to be able to use it as a sample based drum machines (part of the reason why the ES1 looks good). I'm not really looking for an "all in one" studio alternative that'll do everything. More something that's just very good for sampling/recutting beats. It'll probably be used 80% live and 20% studio. I don't use hardware for the principle of it and I'm not someone who automatically prefers hardware to software. It's more for the visual/tactile aspect and reliability, making it more suitable for live use.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2005-11-11 05:52 [#01775363]
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Hmmm. Well, another alternative might be the roland sp404 that just came out. Its battery powered and has a built in microphone is retailing for around $395us, which translates to a couple hundred pounds, if I am not mistaken. It has both 12 bit and 16 bit sampling, and can store up to 1 gig worth of samples with the cf card.
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euphonicfilter
from illadelphia (United States) on 2005-11-11 06:40 [#01775376]
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drop the lime uses the KP-1 for all his live vocals - his is ALL fucked up though...if you see him live try to check it out its a mess
when he played twice here in philly and he was setting up i kept laughing at how damaged it was...but hey, if it works, fuck it right?
i want one of those KP-2's - they look flippin sweet
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C738
from Outer Space on 2005-11-11 08:02 [#01775449]
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I had the KP2 but one some points I didnt like it.
I DO like the effects and the flexibility of the machine, but a major drawback I stumbled across was that the effects sounded too plastic after a while.
Before that I owned a KP-1 but that thing gave the effect signal way louder than the dry signal... sucked, dumped it.
-C-
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2005-11-11 09:31 [#01775514]
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this is a bit off topic, but would you care to go into detail on the microkorg incident? I'm just curious.
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2005-11-11 09:44 [#01775521]
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i like my kp2,gives your mixes a little extra flavour. somewhat like brown sauce on your beans.
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2005-11-11 09:46 [#01775523]
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i like my hanal,gives your xltronic a little extra flavour. somewhat like brown sauce on your beans.
:)
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2005-11-11 09:53 [#01775525]
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haha,coolio:D
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2005-11-11 13:51 [#01775807]
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I just found it sounded really plastiky. It was fun to program, but the sound really started bothering me. I guess the incident would be me buying one :(
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2005-11-11 14:22 [#01775848]
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i found that used thru my turntable it did indeed seem to have that "plastic"sound to it,but i tried it with my cd deck and its much better.
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2005-11-12 00:09 [#01776090]
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yeah I know what that's like in a way... the 76 key workstation synth that I have (yamaha ex5) has some cool tricks up its sleave, but for the most part the sounds really seem too soft/have no bite. If I had the money I'd sell it and upgrade to something better, but it'll do for the time being.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2005-11-12 00:14 [#01776091]
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Gotcha. The best part of the Microkorg was the modulation routings. They were easy to do, and it was fun modulating the ringmod ammount, and playing with the arpregiation sequencer. But when I got the evolver, it sounded so much better, and had 80 times the modulation possibilities, and I had a keyboard that I could use as a controller that worked better, so it ended up taking up space. Unfortunately, I found out that none of the stores in vancouver carried them anymore, and they were still in demand, and that I could have asked for another $100 and still sold it easily. :(
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2005-11-14 18:54 [#01778133]
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damn, it always sucks when you find out you've undersold something... to avoid that, I follow the ignorance is bliss principle: once I've sold something, I never again check it's market value so that I won't know if I got ripped off. :D
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2005-11-15 00:27 [#01778300]
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Yeah me too ;). Its just I had someone call me about the listing the day after I had sold it. They told me that you couldn't find it anywhere in vancouver, and then when I was trolling the classifieds for synthesizers a couple days later, I noticed one more was listed for $450. |(
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2005-11-15 00:29 [#01778301]
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On a better note, I just ordered a yamaha TX81z off ebay yesterday. They aren't the most spectacular synthesizers, but I have been wanting a classic FM synthesizer for a couple months now. I finally just broke down and ordered the first reasonable looking one I could find for a decent price. Happiness abounds :D
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ymenard
on 2005-11-15 09:19 [#01778521]
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Radiohead put the Kaos Pad on the map... at least we shall be thankfull to them for that :)
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vlari
from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2005-11-15 09:24 [#01778523]
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have you found the solid bass patch yet?
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2005-11-15 12:59 [#01778683]
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No, still waiting for it to come in. Is it good?
(you are talking about the tx81z, right?)
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vlari
from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2005-11-15 13:05 [#01778688]
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It's a classic oldschool preset, but if it's on all the DX/TXs I'm not sure.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2005-11-15 13:20 [#01778711]
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Hmmm. Probly not, but there is a comparable patch I am sure. When they first came out, a lot of studios bought tx81z's because of the low frequencies that they could milk out of them. Thats why they are so cheap, because there are so many of them. But this particular synth only has 4 operators as opposed to the 6 that are available in the DX7.
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blobula
from BElgraDe on 2005-11-15 13:21 [#01778713]
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kp2 is mine feavourite piece of equipment. so great for instant realtime sampling and playing. shame it samples in mono though
some effects are really shite, bad that looper thing, and THAT 92 : extr. fast/slow sample play by yr fingers........dope!
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2005-11-15 23:08 [#01778992]
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"|("
hahaha, that's somewhat like a unibrow frowny face right? It made me chuckle ;)
congrats on gettin the tx81, coincidentally that was almost the first synth I bought. let me know how it turns out once she arrives. :)
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2005-11-15 23:09 [#01778993]
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or the face could just be angry squinty eyes I suppose =p
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2005-11-15 23:52 [#01778999]
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Yeah, that was me being so angry my eyes were eclipsed by by brow. technically, it should be more like this -> )( but that wouldnt make any sence at all.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2005-11-21 04:34 [#01783567]
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Am I ever bad with money. I just bought ordered another synth on ebay. Another yamaha. This one is the SY22. Its a vector synthesizer similar to the vst plugs camelion and terra, and allows you to record joystick motions to the keyboard so every time you press a key, it replays that joystick motion.
VSE
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princo
from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2005-11-21 04:35 [#01783568]
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They're a good way to look busy when playing live via laptop.... thats for damn sure.
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Quoth
from Sweden on 2005-11-30 13:32 [#01791035]
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my next purchase will be this piece of equipment found below
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2005-11-30 13:34 [#01791036]
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what is it?
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Quoth
from Sweden on 2005-11-30 13:38 [#01791040]
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the middle brother, of MPCs... in between the 2000 series and the 4000 series... just what i need in a hardware sampler.
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asymmhead
from south pasadena (United States) on 2005-11-30 13:40 [#01791043]
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that's the one i want... but i think it's discontinued?
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2005-11-30 13:42 [#01791046]
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it looks fuckin sexy
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Quoth
from Sweden on 2005-11-30 13:49 [#01791056]
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it will make you cream your pants.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2005-11-30 14:03 [#01791070]
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Hmmm.
As far as mpc's are concerned, maybe you might want to look at the 1000. Its new OS is going to practically make it the equivalent of the 2500 (the only thing it won't have is grid sequencing and a tilted screen). The new ones comming out are even going to be black.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2005-11-30 14:03 [#01791073]
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Oh yeah, its less than half the price.
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Dolleater
from Afrika Bambaataa on 2005-11-30 14:04 [#01791076]
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How many of you would steal this equipment if you knew you could get away with it, quickly and scott free?
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