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         |  futureimage
             from buy FIR from Juno (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-31 10:47 [#01766099] Points: 6427 Status: Lurker
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 | About two thirds down this page there's a list of guitar pedals. Guess how much? £15 each. £15. I think I'm gonna faint.....
 
 
 
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         |  Drunken Mastah
             from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-10-31 10:48 [#01766100] Points: 35867 Status: Lurker | Show recordbag
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 | OH MY GOD 
 
 
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         |  ToXikFB
             on 2005-10-31 10:49 [#01766103] Points: 4414 Status: Lurker | Followup to Drunken Mastah: #01766100
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 | my exact thoughts 
 
 
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         |  giginger
             from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-31 11:03 [#01766123] Points: 26335 Status: Regular | Show recordbag
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 | OH MY GOD! YOU DECIDED TO POST THIS HERE! OH MY GOD! 
 
 
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         |  r40f
             from qrters tea party on 2005-10-31 11:08 [#01766127] Points: 14210 Status: Regular | Followup to futureimage: #01766099
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 | £15 isn't *ridiculously* cheap.  it's the cost of a low-end guitar pedal.  i haven't heard these, but i have used
 certain cheap guitar pedals in the past, and they weren't
 worth the low cost.  they sounded terrible.
 
 
 
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         |  tridenti
             from Milano (Italy) on 2005-10-31 11:09 [#01766128] Points: 14653 Status: Lurker | Followup to giginger: #01766123
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 | my exact thoughts 
 
 
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         |  ToXikFB
             on 2005-10-31 11:10 [#01766131] Points: 4414 Status: Lurker | Followup to tridenti: #01766128
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 | my thoughts exactly 
 
 
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         |  virginpusher
             from County Clare on 2005-10-31 11:10 [#01766132] Points: 27325 Status: Lurker | Followup to r40f: #01766127
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 | yup exactly. you get what you pay for 
 
 
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         |  r40f
             from qrters tea party on 2005-10-31 11:13 [#01766134] Points: 14210 Status: Regular | Followup to virginpusher: #01766132
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 | that said, some of the high-end, expensive pedals sound really lousy too.  :)
 
 
 
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         |  Combo
             from Sex on 2005-10-31 11:16 [#01766137] Points: 7546 Status: Lurker | Followup to ToXikFB: #01766131
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 | my thoughts approximatively 
 
 
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         |  thatne
             from United States on 2005-10-31 11:18 [#01766140] Points: 3026 Status: Lurker
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 | Just get a larger-scale effects processor.  No need to get multiple expensive stomp-boxes.  Unless you are getting
 like, the Ibanez TubeScreamer TS-7, or the Pi Big Muff or
 whatever.  or the fucking Memory Man, whoever makes that
 delay item.  And the Heil TalkBox.
 
 
 
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         |  virginpusher
             from County Clare on 2005-10-31 11:19 [#01766141] Points: 27325 Status: Lurker | Followup to r40f: #01766134
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 | Finding a good pedal is like going on a journey. There are alot of highs and lows
 
 
 
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         |  Drunken Mastah
             from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-10-31 11:23 [#01766144] Points: 35867 Status: Lurker | Show recordbag
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 | even "bad" pedals can be "good" at times. I made a (few) song(s) using a really bad pedal (it was a reverse feedback
 pedal, and it.. well.. it wasn't easy to control, that's for
 sure.. it could also create some kind of internal feedback
 loop in itself.. I don't know how it did that, but it was
 annoying), and they turned out pretty good (after a few
 tries with the pedal, tweaking it to avoid it going
 tripping) IMO...
 
 
 
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         |  Combo
             from Sex on 2005-10-31 11:23 [#01766145] Points: 7546 Status: Lurker
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 | did you know that "pédale" stands for "faggot' in french ? 
 
 
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         |  Drunken Mastah
             from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-10-31 11:25 [#01766147] Points: 35867 Status: Lurker | Followup to Combo: #01766145 | Show recordbag
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 | hahaha! 
 how the fuck did you get that to "happen?" Hasn't "pedal"
 got some etymological root in latin, where the word means
 "foot" or "feet?"
 
 
 
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         |  J198
             from Maastricht (Netherlands, The) on 2005-10-31 12:22 [#01766206] Points: 7342 Status: Lurker | Show recordbag
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 | oh my god. pedals! 
 
 
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         |  r40f
             from qrters tea party on 2005-10-31 12:27 [#01766209] Points: 14210 Status: Regular | Followup to Drunken Mastah: #01766144
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 | yeah, when i say the thing sounds bad, i mean it sounds bad-bad, not good-bad.
 
 
 
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         |  ecnadniarb
             on 2005-10-31 12:29 [#01766212] Points: 24805 Status: Lurker | Show recordbag
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 | I've just bought 5...what do I use them for? 
 
 
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         |  r40f
             from qrters tea party on 2005-10-31 12:32 [#01766215] Points: 14210 Status: Regular | Followup to ecnadniarb: #01766212
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 | hook them all up to each other, connect one end to a contact mic, the other to an amplifier, let it run for ten hours,
 then release a ten-cd box set of noise music.
 
 
 
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         |  earthleakage
             from tell the world you're winning on 2005-10-31 12:35 [#01766218] Points: 27859 Status: Regular | Followup to ecnadniarb: #01766212
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 | playing 'broom brooms' with your imaginary friends. all you need now is a steering wheel cut out of the back of an old
 corn flakes packet.
 
 
 
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         |  ecnadniarb
             on 2005-10-31 12:38 [#01766220] Points: 24805 Status: Lurker | Followup to earthleakage: #01766218 | Show recordbag
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 | oh wow, I never thought of that...might be a bit over stimulating compared to old xltronic though.
 
 
 
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         |  Taxidermist
             from Black Grass on 2005-10-31 12:44 [#01766223] Points: 9958 Status: Lurker
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 | Aparently, those pedals are the same inside as a lot of fancier, more expensive pedals. Behringer has found a way to
 reverse engineer a lot of the classic pedals on the market,
 and sell them for next to nothing. Hopefully they are good,
 because I have heard some good things about that line of
 pedals. I need some good cheap overdrive and distortion
 pedals.
 
 
 
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         |  earthleakage
             from tell the world you're winning on 2005-10-31 12:48 [#01766227] Points: 27859 Status: Regular
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 | cheap distortion sound dreadful thuogh 
 
 
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         |  forck_02lynix
             from brooklyn on 2005-10-31 13:11 [#01766277] Points: 4000 Status: Regular
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 | cheap cheap cheap! 
 anyone have experience with the digitech xp series? notably
 the xp200 modulator?
 
 
 
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         |  Taxidermist
             from Black Grass on 2005-10-31 13:42 [#01766335] Points: 9958 Status: Lurker | Followup to earthleakage: #01766227
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 | True, cheap anything sounds awfull. But aparently, and this is just what I have heard don't know first hand, Behringer
 found a way to emulate the circuitry of a lot of established
 gear that is worth 10X the money and such, so they might
 actually be worth looking into.
 
 
 
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         |  fat kaimo
             from Finland on 2005-10-31 16:53 [#01766552] Points: 2003 Status: Lurker
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 | "...found a way to emulate the circuitry of a lot of established
 gear that is worth 10X the money"
 
 this is what most of the manufacturers of cheap gear claim.
 but 9 times out of 10 they are noisy, sound like crap and
 break up very easily. the small plastic danelectros, ibanez
 soundtanks etc...
 i haven't tried these behringers (though i have a mixer by
 them with crap built-in fx...), but i'd expect to get what
 you pay for;
 even if you could find an ok sound (which i doubt), these
 are made of plastic and will most likely break up sooner or
 later.
 so maybe ok for lofi-goofing & recording but nothing to
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         |  Raz0rBlade_uk
             on 2005-10-31 16:57 [#01766553] Points: 12540 Status: Addict | Show recordbag
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 | IF ONLY I CARED 
 
 
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         |  clint
             from Silencio... (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-31 18:11 [#01766599] Points: 3447 Status: Lurker
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 | This is excellent... best news in ages! 
 I've just bought one new off ebay, the Overdrive/Distortion
 one, for £16.50 including P&P. I'm chuffffffed. Thankyou
 muchly futureimage, you've saved me godknowshowmuch.
 
 
 
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         |  Taxidermist
             from Black Grass on 2005-11-01 00:58 [#01766772] Points: 9958 Status: Lurker | Followup to fat kaimo: #01766552
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 | Well, behringer have a hit or miss thing going on with their effects. Hopefully these can be hits before they are misses.
 Aparently what they have done is mass produce one chip for
 the entire series, then just changed the connectors around.
 If that is true, then these will be a dream to bend. I am
 not totally cynical about them. They have already generated
 a pretty good ammount of talk, so if they suck, then it will
 probly be known soon enough, as well if they are good.
 Either way, for $30 its not much of a risk to make a trip to
 the store and buy a couple for testing. I am looking forward
 to picking up a phaser an overdrive and a distortion. Even
 then, if they aint any good, they will be perfect to try my
 hand circuit bending with them. :) As well, it could be a
 cheap way to build a modular all in one effect matrix. :D
 
 But yeah, I agree build quality sounds cheap. Anybody who
 takes a plastic pedal on stage needs to have their head
 checked. Nothing says quality like musicians with audio that
 cuts out halfway through a performance because they cheaped
 out on their effects.
 
 
 
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         |  Zephyr Twin
             from ΔΔΔ on 2005-11-01 01:29 [#01766776] Points: 16982 Status: Regular | Followup to Taxidermist: #01766772 | Show recordbag
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 | get ...this one  if you are getting overdrive... it will be $40 or so, but it seems to be the high end of their
 new budget overdrive line.
 
 was actually thinking about getting one myself for one of my
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         |  Taxidermist
             from Black Grass on 2005-11-01 02:07 [#01766785] Points: 9958 Status: Lurker | Followup to Zephyr Twin: #01766776
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 | Honestly, if they all do share a microchip, it would almost be worth throwing a slew of knobs and patchbays into one of
 them, giving you access to each and every effect. But that
 is just heresay. I am looking forward to what some of the
 the cirucuit benders at EM411 have to say about this.
 
 Yeah. I am totally excited. even if the effects turn out
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         |  Ceri JC
             from Jefferson City (United States) on 2005-11-01 02:47 [#01766787] Points: 23533 Status: Moderator | Show recordbag
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 | Even if they sound crap and digital, it's an effect, isn't it? Digital distortion is a valid form of processing in its
 own right, even if you personally prefer an overdriven tube,
 etc.
 
 As to the "nothing cheap can sound good" mentality, that's
 nonsense and snobbery. Yes, generally speaking, most cheap
 audio gear is very poor, but there are some gems, see
 this, for example. I'll reserve judgement on these
 pedals till I hear one in action, but I agree that build
 quality is likely to suck. If behringer mixers are anything
 to go by, they'll be half decent sound quality (for budget
 gear), but they make their money on dirt-cheap build
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         |  Combo
             from Sex on 2005-11-01 17:00 [#01767383] Points: 7546 Status: Lurker | Followup to Drunken Mastah: #01766147
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 | dunno, i'll ask my litterature teacher 2morrow 
 
 
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         |  rarndaraki
             from from from from (United States) on 2005-11-01 17:48 [#01767412] Points: 1833 Status: Regular
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 | they might be decent, they're mixers aren't bad for the price.  you guys want to know what pedals i use? of course
 you do.. these:
 
 ernie ball volume pedal
 BOSS ddr-5
 MXR 10 band eq
 MXR compression
 ibanez tube screamer
 
 that's it baby.  that's all i ever need. and if i want to
 get some super processed guitar i just run it all through my
 laptop.
 
 
 
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         |  r40f
             from qrters tea party on 2005-11-01 18:17 [#01767418] Points: 14210 Status: Regular
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 | MXR compression - i have that.  it's bad in a good way. 
 
 
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         |  hedphukkerr
             from mathbotton (United States) on 2005-11-01 21:27 [#01767468] Points: 8833 Status: Regular
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 | digitech whammy pedal <-- the only guitar pedal youll ever need.
 
 you can do so much with that thing, its unfrickin
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         |  rarndaraki
             from from from from (United States) on 2005-11-01 21:47 [#01767470] Points: 1833 Status: Regular | Followup to r40f: #01767418
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 | i love that pedal. it's so simple and gives my guitar the perfect boost.
 
 
 
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         |  futureimage
             from buy FIR from Juno (United Kingdom) on 2005-11-02 00:19 [#01767493] Points: 6427 Status: Lurker | Followup to Taxidermist: #01766785
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 | Mind, I am going to circuit bend some of these. That's why I want them so cheap. If I wreck them, I haven't wasted £30
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         |  obara
             from Utrecht on 2005-11-02 01:45 [#01767501] Points: 19430 Status: Regular | Followup to Combo: #01766145
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 | haha, same in polish. it's "pedał" 
 
 
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         |  clint
             from Silencio... (United Kingdom) on 2005-11-08 14:58 [#01773043] Points: 3447 Status: Lurker
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 | Ok, I got the OD100. The contruction is a lot more solid than I expected. Solid jacks and knobs. Packaging was a bit
 shit but hey thats okay. Somewhat lighter than other pedals,
 probably to do with being plastic. The sound, however, is
 really really good, certainly as good as something 3 or 4
 times the price. I'm going to get some more of these for
 sure.
 
 
 
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         |  Taxidermist
             from Black Grass on 2005-11-08 23:57 [#01773321] Points: 9958 Status: Lurker | Followup to clint: #01773043
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 | Glad to hear. I will probly place an order for a couple on thursday then.
 
 
 
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         |  QRDL
             from Poland on 2005-11-09 01:21 [#01773334] Points: 2838 Status: Lurker | Followup to obara: #01767501
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 | Hey, I wanted to be the one to say that. 
 
 
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