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nacmat
on 2005-09-12 08:52 [#01721124]
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the best
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-09-12 08:53 [#01721127]
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fenando ocks!
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nacmat
on 2005-09-12 08:53 [#01721129]
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yes
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nacmat
on 2005-09-12 08:53 [#01721130]
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yes he ocks
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2005-09-12 08:54 [#01721131]
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oooh a racecar.
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nacmat
on 2005-09-12 08:54 [#01721132]
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3 minutes it took me to get it
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-09-12 08:55 [#01721134]
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bette late than not get it at all..
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-crazone
from smashing acid over and over on 2005-09-12 08:58 [#01721142]
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are you such a patriot? or isnt he spanish?
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-09-12 09:01 [#01721145]
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he's russian, but has a spanish name, oddly enough..
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nacmat
on 2005-09-12 10:35 [#01721198]
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its the first time that a spanish can win this formula 1... so we are happy
but I dont think thats being patriot...
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melack
from barcielwave on 2005-09-12 10:42 [#01721202]
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congrats to alonso (he hasnt win yet, doesnt he?), but all the spanish nationalist mediatic shit arround him sucks a lot...
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nacmat
on 2005-09-12 10:45 [#01721206]
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come on its not nationalist hip... its just that for the first time people is enjoying formula1 in spain (and in catalunya)
its just about sports... I dont think nobody used alonso for politic propaganda or patriotic propaganda...
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nacmat
on 2005-09-12 10:48 [#01721211]
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the same way people was so happy about criville, nadal, indurain, sito pons, nieto, carlos saiz, gasol....
all great sportsmen and women (arancha, conchita...) that make us feel nearer to success... which is stupid cos we are not succeeding,.... they are, but not we... but no matter that, people feel it as their own success and happiness... just cos those heroes were born very near to them, speak their own language and feel proud of that
its not about being a fascist spanish patriot... its about sports
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melack
from barcielwave on 2005-09-12 10:55 [#01721223]
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yeah, maybe im exagerating a lot... maybe its more a publicity thing or something (telefonica - alonso - spain)... dunno its like in spain doesnt exist nothing else, noone else except alonso... now everyone loves f1, everyone is blue and thats gonna a be an spanish victory, when only a couple of years ago nobody gave a fuck about f1, even when marc gene or de la rose were there...
dunno, i know im making it bigger than what it is, but theres some things i cannot stand, specially about the image and speeching tele5 or antena3 are selling...
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QRDL
from Poland on 2005-09-12 11:04 [#01721234]
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I get what you mean melack, we had the same with ski jumping when Adam Malysz started winning. It was impossible to watch a peaceful Malysz-free hour of TV. Not that there was any nationalistic stuff, no, but everybody became a ski-jumping fan all of a sudden.
The same with the Pope goddamit. Sometimes I would just like to leave and never come back.
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nacmat
on 2005-09-12 11:07 [#01721236]
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people follow alons and not marc gene or de la rosa cos the maximum they ever did was a 5th position in a race... he has won 7 races already in his life and he is gonna win the championship... I think its normal that people get hooked now and not then
now I love to see tour the france, but not until indurain I watched this or la vuelta
I watch tennis due to arancha and sergi brugera
this is normal and human... cos people want to feel success near them... to feel it as theirs... absolutely human
thats why anybody in spain is from their team (albacete, zaragoza, cadiz...) and after that they cheer for barça or madrid, cos they want to feel success too
in another note: I watch formula 1 since alonso is in the scene, but I also watched some when gene and de la rosa started
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I think people in catalunya htink that all we do in spain is directed to our patriotism, and I assure you not
some people do, but not most
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melack
from barcielwave on 2005-09-12 11:14 [#01721240]
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i get what you say, and i understand and share it, nac... but i just dont like how tv's are selling it, the mentallity behind all that, nationalist stuff and how people are eating and following it... (we also do that with our things in catalonia, and sometimes we are even worse, and i also hate it, but we have maybe a more comprehensible reason and we do it in a selfconcient way)
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Xeron
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-12 11:24 [#01721246]
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yo todavia creo que Montoya sera Campeon Mundial, por lo menos una vez en su vida. Mejor Alonso que Raikkonen :P.
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nacmat
on 2005-09-12 12:20 [#01721292]
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montoya is a genious, but he takes tooo many risks
he is a kamikaze when he wants to pass another car
one of the guys that makes this sport a big thing
raikoonen is said to be cold as ice... but I think the really rational guy here is alonso, very intelligent
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nacmat
on 2005-09-12 12:20 [#01721294]
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yea I understand what you mean
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Xeron
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-12 12:27 [#01721305]
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If you never take a risk you'll never get anywhere, although he shouldn't of let Raikonnen pass him at Spa. Raikonnen has no hope of winning against Alonso. I want Montoya to win at Interlagos again and beat Raikonnen like he did last year. Raikonnen is the most uninspiring driver i've ever seen, no personality whatso ever,; a robot would do his job better.
Congratulations Alonso on winning :D!
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nacmat
on 2005-09-12 12:35 [#01721320]
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mc laren is the best car... so this gives alonso more merit for his success
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Xeron
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-12 12:37 [#01721324]
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Mc laren wasn't the best in the beginning
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nacmat
on 2005-09-12 14:20 [#01721423]
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it was the fastest as it is now... but it broke lots of times... as it does now
but montoya was injured in the begining
in san marino (4th race) raikonen was leading the race very easily but his car broke and wurz 8third pilot) was finally third that day... so pretty much since the begining mclaren was up there, simply not as regular as renault which broke very few times, and only to fizziquela
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Xeron
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-13 05:37 [#01721756]
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If F1 was a more level playing field, it would be so exciting. Imagine Arrows coming back and Minardis fighting with Ferraris.
F1 is a lot to do with luck, in theory Mclaren should have won both chiampionships. At least it's a hispanic whose breaking the 7 time Schumacher streak.
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2005-09-13 05:39 [#01721757]
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F1 has a lot to do with money too :/ But that's life and I think it's a shame that all the new rules are cutting down the creativity. I want those 6 wheeled monsters from the seventies ;)
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Xeron
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-13 09:55 [#01721974]
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We have to ask our selves, "is safety really that important?"
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2005-09-14 00:52 [#01722667]
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The new rules are also there to make things more equal. It's no coincidence all cars look the same these days.
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