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i know very little, or close to nothing about it. i'd like to check out some, preferably something really intense and dark. something not too pop. thank you. |
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What kind of metal do you want to listen to? Me and arf can totally cover the shit out of this |
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I know an awful lot more about this than I should really as I was totally into it for about 5 years and only recently moved onto electronic music. if you want dark then you'l be looking more at bands like Cradle of Filth however I recommend In Flames as they ahve the tunes and lyrics to boot. Very Scandinavian. |
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check out burzum - filosofem ... well, all burzum albums are great! melancholic and dark to the core |
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cradle of filth???? oh lord.....stay away of that |
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Iron, Steel, Aluminium or Bronze. Also Silver and Gold. And Mercury, Copper and Tin too. |
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No. Cradle of Filth isnt really as good as people make them out to be. Then again thats just my opinion. ------------------ Eyehategod (pick all albums): Its dark and sounds like the whole band is about to kill someone and then commit suicide any moment. Jimmy Bower on Guitar!!!! Mike Williams is completely awesome on vocals which brings him into my #1 vocalist of all time position. Crowbar Kevin Bond baby! woot! I forgot who does vocals in this band but they totally mesh so well together. I get the feeling of extreme power while listening to it. Kind of like i could beat the shit out of everyone in a drunken rage or something. The Melvins Because in this thread someone needs to mention them and i am trying to be the first. Sleep (dope smoker, holy mountain) Dope smoker shouild win a fucking award. The song is like 65 minutes long. :D!!!! This band is sorely underrated. I would love to check them live!! Super Joint Ritual You got Phil from pantera, Jimmy bower from ehg and kevin bond from crowbar. Its like a dream team! Phil sounds more on the hardcore side but they still take it slow at times due to bower's new orleans style. Down Another side project from Phil. #2 is my personal favorite. I think you may like this. More later. |
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it's been years since I've listened to metal but these still come to mind Tool Kyuss a perfect circle (early) Korn deftones you probably know all these I guess. and they aren't all "real" metal. but lets face it. real metal sucks. :p |
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oh yeah I'll be the first to admit that everyone should stay away from CoF however if he wants truly dark metal music then I guess thats it. The song I'd suggest is Presents from the poison-hearted because its the only one I still enjoy. Down are really good too along with Soil. |
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lets not forget System of a down |
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Jungle Rot They are like a slow version of cannibal corpse. The sound is similar but its never real fast. At least not to my memory. The Unseen Ok so its not metal and more half and half punk and hardcore but i really like them so i am going to break the norm here and mention them. :D Stormtroopers of Death Continuing to break the norm once more. If you havent heard them before then talk to me because i have some really rare mp3's that are legal to share because billy knows about it. The band comprised of Billy Milano (MOD) Scott Ian (anthrax) Charlie B (anthrax?) and Danny liliker. Its a hardcore band thats far from serious. Just read some of the lyrics or listen to the ballads. They always have fun at shows. Its a real joy to listen to and are one of my favorite bands of all time. Billy is still accessable these days and returns emails and such! Bonus! |
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"metal" is a very broad genre once you develop an understanding of it. it's just like anything else, really. there are tons of different subgenres... anyway, you already know the melvins and fantomas... bands sort of on the fringe of metal. i will recommend these albums: Eyehategod - "Take As Needed For Pain" Sleep - "Sleep's Holy Mountain" and "Dopesmoker" Brutal Truth - "Need To Control" (very extreme music - grindcore mixed with industrial/noise) Hellchild - "Bareskin" (don't bother with the covers ep) Neurosis - "A Sun That Never Sets" |
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It's pyrite, the fools's gold |
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Thats like the black metal band for 14 year old kids trying to be different. They shop at hot topic and wear dog collars. Black metal goes deeper. They are the tip of the ice berg. But i see what you are saying. Either way all suggestions are good because maybe it will open a new door to goran! |
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no, "real metal" doesn't suck - the commercial bullshit you're recommending sucks and you haven't listened to enough music to form any sort of legitimate opinion. |
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it doesn't suck imo. sure korn sucks nowdays. but the first two albums are a classic. I had good memories listening to those. and tool is quite good if you want more then generic powerriffs and double bassdrums.... |
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I think Goran should begin by listening to System of a Down's self-titled debut album and if he likes that then he can move on to the early Korn stuff and then bands like Down and eyehategod. |
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I used to be into "metal". but I didn't like the brutal stuff where some dude just screams into a mic. *FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKKK YOUUUUUUUUUUMAMAZEAZIPAOZOAZJEAZOAEJOAEIJOAEJOAER OAERJAEOEAIJTO* something like that. I want some substance. |
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hah CoF are not the darkest death metal band. they're pop goth nowadays. jesus is a cunt yeah yeah. liaten to kreator |
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i recommend: Mehshuggah - catch 33 |
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I really liked Akercocke for dark metal. Never got into kreator really. |
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oh my god. wow. that's intense, refined, diamond-sharp stupidity right there. |
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slayer opeth kreator amon amarth |
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intense, refined, diamond-sharp stupidity: |
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i was doing mushrooms at the weekend, whilst listening to Pantera. it was great! |
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I saw slayer live at Hammersmith Apollo last October/November and never listened to metal much since. I was almost killed in the mosh pit after being beaten up by Slayer fans because I was wearing a Korn t-shirt and then almost suffocated. I thank god someone ran along the front line with a hose. x_x |
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yeah, i've never been nor will i go to see slayer live. too violent for me, but i do enjoy the music. sorry to hear about your experience. |
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i agree - they look really stupid. korn-stupid. but you know better than to judge an entire genre of music by your own prejudiced stereotypes, don't you? |
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Yes, but he has a very valid point to not liking death-metal style vocals. I also think he has a very strong point with the fact that a lot of metal lyrics, especially the really dark stuff, are in fact insanely childish. |
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well they were amazing live, "blood" actually rained down across the set as they played that song and of course Mandatory Suicide was an absolute stomper of a track when belted out live at full volume. I think they're a band who exist to play live and thrive off the energy which the crowd gives them. They've disappointed in the studio and i don't think the albums reflect the true direction of the band I just immensely dislike moshing and ended up standing at the back as far away from the put as possible because all I wanted to do was watch the band and listen to the music. Fuck all that lets see how many people I can beat up to the sound of metal in the mosh pit crap. I guess it was that which put me off the genre eventually along with just maturing. |
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it's fine to not like a style of singing and i agree that most metal lyrics are childish. my problem is with the statement, "I want some substance" coming from somebody who listens to fucking korn. and also, you can't possibly say that a certain technique or style of singing (whatever it may be) has "less substance" or is inferior in some way to any other style. that's an incredibly ignorant assumption to make. |
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put = pit |
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i may not like opera singing or rap, for instance, but does that mean all rap singing is stupid? of course not. it's a different style. in this world, there are other forms of music than what you normally listen to! what a shock! that doesn't mean it isn't as good as what your limited tastes have experienced. |
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Lamb of God Every decade you get brand new metal. A band the takes the genre into new heights. The 80's saw slayer, the 90's saw pantera and this decade has lamb of god. The Addler brothers kick maxium ass behind W. Randell Bylthe on vocals. All i can say is "triples over doubles" a drumming technique used by addler explained on the newest DVD. GET IT JUST GET THE DVD SOMEHOW DO IT. I think its called Killadelphia. Perfect quality concerts, awesome extras and behind the scenes which show the guys being hilarious and regular like you and me. One of the best bands currently. |
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i also think that most metal is totally stupid. most of any music is stupid. look at all the electronic music in the world right now. what percentage of that is really worthwhile? the aphex twins and the autechres of the world? and how much is awful imitations? i'm sure you'll find there is a much higher percentage of utter shit electronica than the good stuff. |
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i agree, i've watched the warfield dvd and have a couple bootlegs of shows, and they are intense live. but i'm the same way, i hate those meat-head dicks who just want to kick the crap out of everyone. i want to watch the show, not fend for my life!!! |
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I saw slayer live on holloween 2003 with hatebreed. Completely fuggin awesome. I got the shit kicked out of me mulitple times and loved it! 5 star show! Hatebreed Listen to persiverence (sp?) That way i wont have to explain how awesome Jasta and the crew are. Becareful while listening to the "hardcore" genre as alot of it is similar. |
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i was into hardcore in high school, actually played in a shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiity band with some shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiity people, and now i can't listen to it. it makes me depressed. hatebreed was good, but now they just bring back bad memories. vision of disorder is ok sometimes, first two albums. |
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It is incredibly ignorant if it's an assumption. If it's a measurement of the qualities of the technique or style, it's not. Metal singing (the stuff he was referring to) is generally completely monotonous, consisting merely of long growls, shouts and screams. For me, that is absolute bullshit. It proves no talent on the part of the "singer" -- that isn't singing -- and I find it quite boring and off-putting. I could listen to death metal were it not for the vocals. And before you jump at me for saying "that isn't singing" -- it's not. Growls, shouts, screams aren't techniques of singing. Just like talking isn't a technique of singing. They're all vocal articulations. Singing is another, completely seperate, type of vocal articulation. There are plenty of bands in the punk rock, grunge and rock genres whose singers combine singing and screaming, shouting, and to a far lesser extent, a bit of growling. Death metal, on the other hand, uses these sounds exclusively. |
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No one is ever forced into a pit. At least here they arent. Most hardcore kids have "pit ethics" and usually keep people from hitting non pit people, help downed moshers and make sure they are ok. Everytime i was floored by some big monster some hardcore kid in a hatebreed wifebeater was helping me up right away and asking me if i needed out. Hardcore kids are the best people ever. This one time at a metal show, during the pit some bigger metal guy got pissed after catching a spinkick(?) and he pulled a knife out. Then around 30 hardcore kids jumped his ass and beat the piss out of him. |
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for the purpose of clarity, i really should have written: ...whose singers combine singing with screaming, shouting, and .... |
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i think bob dylan's style of 'singing' is inferior to just about everyone, but i still like it! :) delerious: when you mentioned about the "blood" raining down over the stage, i was actually cringing :-/ i find it annoying when the highlight of a show is something non-musical, not to imply you meant it was a highlight, but each to their own. |
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Arcturus- The Sham Mirrors is probably my favorite metal album, lot more to it than just heavy guitars. |
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I think you'd like doom-metal or something, Goran. You should try the first self-titled Khanate album, for example, it's really amazing. |
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But you have to keep in mind that these vocals fit. Could you imagine cannibal corpse with chris barnes singing? That just wouldnt work. I hate him as a vocalist. Sounds like hes puking into a bucket. Deathmetal lyrics are usually talentless crap. Although when done to a lesser extent it isnt as bad (ie; hardcore, screamo etc etc) |
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I think any "true" metal fan will admit that the first 2 korn albums are very good. ok sure it has lots of screaming and cursing. but to me the anger felt/feels genuine. after that they got fat and rich. and so did their music. and DeleriousWeasel also gave an element in metal culture I truly hate. Moshing. really, that's the most stupid thing I must have seen and experienced. people just wanna hurt each other. I have nothing against bumping into each other a bit. but I've seen some stupid things on metal gigs. also, that whole "look at me I'm so tough because I wear metal chains all over my body" attitude is quite laughable. |
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Band's you should check out: M.O.D. Nuclear Assault Ministry Anthrax Slayer Overkill Death Sacred Reich |
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you are wrong about that. it is singing. it requires a lot of technique and skill and it is very challenging to do. it requires a lot of physical effort to breathe properly, for one thing. it takes a lot of practice to make those noises with any kind of sustain. go look it up in the fuckin dictionary. it's singing. |
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well of course it wasn't actual blood it was pyrotechnics and I know its really cringeworthy but when you're actually there with the flashing lights and the searing heat its really awesome and cools you down at the same time. a nice novelty. Virginpusher : I also saw hatebreed live when they were on the Slipknot and Mastadon tour and really enjoyed them above the other bands. Jasta has a charisma about him that won the crowd over immediately even though none of us had paid to go and see them in particular. Live for this is truly a metal anthem. Does the lead singer do some DJing on the side? I'm pretty sure I read that in Metal Hammer a while back but never looked into it. |
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i'm not a true metal fan by any means. i'm just pointing out how fucking far removed some of the comments in this thread are from any sort of rational conversation simply because of the huge predjudices and mountains of ignorance that seems to be surrounding a gigantic genre. i can't stand moshing either, btw. i agree it's awful. |
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