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Ok seriously though, lets discuss it. Do you think people are born gay or its a choice? Thats the main question at hand here. Personally I think its not a choice and you are born that way, but I also think there are A LOT of people who choose to be gay because they need to feel part of a culture or they are just downright confused. |
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it's probably a combination. |
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i think you were born gay. no i don't, but i think you were born twixt two people who were closely related. |
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But then couldn't you say everyone is born Bisexual and we all just choose to screw guys or girls? |
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is what I think, I mean. you know, just like personalities are probably formed partly by genetics and by social circumstance. |
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Oh your reamings are so funny especially when directed at me! Dont quit your day job sir :) |
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I guess I think things like these are too complex to do away with a handy template like you mention there. |
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I don't think people are born that way in every case. Sure some are born with more of a certain chemical than another, but allot of sexual orientation/frustration/confusion is created throughout childhood experiences and upbringing. If you wanna get freudian on the subject, there is quite allot of cases where single mothers raise their boys without fathers and they become sexually confused without that natural direction of a male figure. |
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I have to run soon but you bring up a good point. Is gayness a part of personalities, AND are personalities mostly genetic or a result of surroundings? If its both, is it a 50/50 split? |
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if you didn't have questions about your own sexuality you wouldnt've brought up the topic. you are a typical closet homosexual, who is desperate for acceptance. why don't you just admit it? what are you scared of? |
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Hurry qrter, give him the answer. |
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? No i'm pretty sure I'm straight. I ask because of the link to the article. Pretty soon right-wingers everywhere will declare homo as a choice and bad stuff will happen. I'm discussing it to see if everyone thinks its not a choice or what... I dont know for sure, I'm not gay so I cant say, only speculate and deduce answers from knowledge I get. Do you go up to scientists studying this and ask the same thing you asked me or what? |
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If you look at people taking only their sexuality into consideration, you`re losing most of their profile. |
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IT'S.. IT'S... 33.437%/66.563%!! |
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Let's answer the question of gayness here, on XLT. The fact it's been around since the dawn of time means, I'm sure, people 1000s of years ago did it just to fit in with whatever was hip at the time. |
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theres no hurry, its a msgboard not a chatroom. |
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EXCEPT I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH PERCENTAL IS FOR WHAT!!!! STRESS!! |
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why would you have to be gay to answer this question? surely if gayness is a choice, then heterosexuality is too. |
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you're "pretty sure". i guess you're unsure then. don't worry about it, most men your age go through that kind of questioning, but if you are gay, then i guess admiting it on a message board is the first step to acceptance. good luck. |
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Right. But some will say that they are born hetero, where others think that you are born to choose. I'm just throwing stuff out here to stir shit up and start a conversation. |
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Well Marlowe admited his gayness here and then ended up marrying a woman and having a kid. |
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Yeah, I'd have to guess it's a combination too. One larger part cultural (imitated, memetic & misfiring behavior) and another part genetic. However I suspect that the extreme minority is genetic, given that by definition few offspring should inherit it (unless one gay guy somewhere thought it would be humorous to deposit all his sperm at sperm banks (we're still investigating qrter about this)). I wonder how large a role prisons play given the minority if any women and the predisposition towards rape and being stupid (which would cause misfiring behavior) in it's members. "sexual dimorphism" is the biological term for the differing characteristics between two sexes of one species. Orangatangs are quite different for example. Normally, as hunter and gatherers, human males would be immediately recognizable as such because they'd all have beards, but most shave today. In addition we all wear clothes. Maybe all gayness is just one ill side effect of the odd habit we have of covering our bodies with clothes, thus increasing "misfiring behavior". |
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bisexuals mary women all the time. it's common place. in the end you have to make a choice, big deal. nobody really cares, why should they? i know 2 people who have married women then decided they are gay and got divorced. really though, who cares? i fucking well don't. does it make a difference if you are gay or straight? to be honest, i think in america (and i must state here i could be completely wrong) being gay is far more accepted in modern culture. what i loath is lazy homophobia. and i must state again that i am not accusing you of that. if i didn't know you better i would say you are bringing up a valid point. but i do, do i don't. |
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What about furries? Is that nature or nurture? Is there a gene for the desire to watch giant green pregnant lesbian horses making sweet love? |
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Also, I must again stress one of the main concerns I have with mankind; the halting of natural selection upon ourselves. Genes constantly mutate, the extremem minority of which happen to aid survival. So our species genepool is mutating like usual only nothing is getting selected out. All kinds of odd recessive genes eventually get combined with another, and all kinds of people with ill genetic problems are nevertheless capable of surviving to reproduce these genetic problems. This is one of those glacial things humans can't get a grip on because it happens on a scale larger than our normal lives. Maybe homosexuality is somehow tied up in this. |
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I think it is nature, there are people who are naturally gay. I can think back to school and there were obviously gay kids as part of their personality. I see it as a parent watching kids and the way they act together. Being gay is not a bad thing at all and it would not upset meif my son decided he was gay. |
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Personally I think the main stereotype gay behavior (pronouncing 's' as 'th' etc) are 100% cultural (non-genetic). I think it evolved as an identifiable way for other gays to recognize eachother. |
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disagree. people were "naturally" camp, but it's just acceptance in an undercurrent seuxal way because they can't be accepted normally. school is no judge of anyone. |
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gaydar! |
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you may have a genetic predisposition to be attracted to the same gender, but this will only arise when in certain social circumstances, and as we live in a world of compulsive heterosexuality, where heterosexuality is considered the norm, fewer people grow up (or are brought up) to be homosexual. If everyone was gay we wouldn't have this problem with over crowding! [now listening to: cay - nature creates freaks] |
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It is interesting, the notion of "camp", I have known a couple of chaps, so very very hilariously camp, 24 hours a day, but not a whiff of gayness. Very successful with the ladies as well, god fuck them. |
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in the past i've been known to act deliberately camp in front of homophobes just to piss them off. fuck them, and fuck any kind of stereotype or any pre-judgemental bullshit. but really i just don't give a shit what people think of me with regards my sexuality. because, in the end, it's none of your fucking well business unless i decree it so. |
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i guess im more comfortable with myself in certain areas than most people, i'm lucky. in certainly not an extrovert, far from it, but i can see some friends who aren't quite sure despite them being married. but really, it's none of my business. you are friends with people because you like them, not because they are gay or straight. |
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If you feel the need to come out, remember that this is a loving supportive forum where we care about you and won't judge you. Well, except for the obvious assholes. |
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some of my best friends are black. |
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I worry that facists and such will decree homosexuallity is a choice and decree that it is a 'bad choice' and force a majority of people to look down on gays the same way Hitler did with Jews. The point is: How can a gay person prove to a non-gay person that homosexuality isn't a choice? If they cant, gays everywhere are in a heap of trouble. |
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There's black people in europe? |
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if it's purely genetic fascists will have a field day. |
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Maybe years ago, but if we could prove that its not a choice then you dont think the facists would back off? Right now hard core christians are all: "We pretend act like jesus, but we think that homos are making a bad choice and they will goto hell if they dont change" and then scientists are all like: "They can't change because your god made them that way, stupids" Then christians go: "oh poo, i guess we cant throw them in jail for being gay" |
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how can a heterosexual person prove to a homosexual person that heterosexuality isn't a choice? |
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you seem to be confusing extremist Christians with fascists. the whole idea behind Hitlers fascism was about the better race surviving - which is based on genetics. |
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when push comes to shove, you're a typical in-bred ignorant mysoganist arsebeak redneck who never paid attention at school and who has absolutely no grasp of any kind of culture beyond a 5 mile radius of where you live |
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Is fascism a choice or is it genetic? Because if it's genetic we can easily devise a screening test and remove them from the gene pool. |
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some of my best friends are genetic. anyway, I still stand by what I said earlier - this matter is much too complex to think up an easy template. genetics and social circumstance are just two elements (although social circumstance itself consists of numerous elements) - how many life-directing elements does a person come into touch with besides those? I would say there are too many things coming into play to make any predictions. as for trying to use such knowledge to counter extremists - they are extremists. logic pretty much doesn't work all that well, sadly. |
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and when we're politically purified, Alanis Morissette could sing her lovely song "ironic". unless she carries the fascism gene, ofcourse. you never know where evil lurks. |
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Sounds good, let's get started. Our slogan, manifesto and program will be: DEATH TO THE FANATICS! |
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Yeah I did get them mixed up. Sorry. |
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waaaaaaaaaa go cry to someone who cares. |
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look up the term "self respect" |
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Ok, now what? |
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