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Digital isn't useless. It's just not as good. This post i'm pasting here was on Planet Mu, you may have seen it, you may know who's attribued to writing it too. Doesn't matter anyway, it's a most excellent post regardless. So good infact, i thought it good to post here. No link but you can search it there. Re: surfing in bong water Author: analord Date: 02-07-05 03:14 "some people bought the analogue equipment when it was unfashionable and very cheap though. some of us are over 30 you know! anyone remember when 303`s were £50? and coke was 16p a tin? crisps 5p also you have overlooked A LOT of other points because its not all about the overall frequency response of the recording system its how the sound gets there in the first place. here are some things which you can`t get from a plugin,they are often emulated but due to their hugely complex nature are always pretty crass aproximations.. the sound of analogue equpiment including EQ, changes very noticably over even a few hours due to temperature changes within a circuit. Anyone who has tried to make tracs on a few analogue synths and make them stay in tune can tell you this,you leave a trac running for a few hours come back and think Im sure I didnt fucking write that,I must be going mental! this affects all the components in a synth/EQ in an almost infinte amount of tiny ways. and the amount differs from circuit to circuit depending on the design. the interaction of different channels and their respective signals with an analogue mixer are very complex,EQ,dynamics.... any fx, analogue or digital that are plugged into it all have their own special complex characteristics and all interact with each other differently and change depending on their routing. Nobody that ive heard of has even begun to start emulating analogue mixer circuitry in software,just the aesthetics,it will come but im sure it will be a crap half hearted effort like most pretend synth plugins are. they should be called PST synths, P for pretend |
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... Every piece of outboard gear has its own sound ,reverbs,modulation effects etc real room reverb, this in itself companies have spent decades trying to emulate and not even got close in my opinion, even the best attempts like Quantec and EMT only scratch the surface. analogue EQ is currently impossible in theory to be emulated digitally,quite intense maths shit involed in this if youre really that interested,you could look it up...good luck. your soundcard will always make things sound like its come from THAT soundcard..they ALL impose their different sound characteristics onto whatever comes out of them they are far from being totally neutral devices. all the components of a circuit like resistors and capacitors subtley differ from each other depending on their quality but even the most high quality milatary spec ones are never EXACTLY the same. no two analogue synths can ever be built exactly the same,there are tiny human/automated errors in building the circuits,tweaking the trimpots for example which is usually done manually in a lot of analogue shit. just compare the sound of 2 808 drum machines next to each other and you will see what I mean,you always thought an 808 was an 808 right? same goes for 303`s they all sound subltey different,different voltage scaling of the oscillator is usually quite noticable. VST plugins are restricted by a finite number of calculations per second these factors are WAY beyond their CURRENT capability. Then there is the question of the physicallity of the instrument this affects the way a human will emotionally interact with it and therfore affect what they will actually do with it! often overlooked from the maths heads,this is probably the biggest factor I think. for example the smell of analogue stuff as well as the look of it puts you in a certain mental state which is very different from looking at a computer screen. then there is analogue tape...ah this really could go on forever.... |
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..im quite drunk cant be bothered to type anymore... so yeah,whatever, you obviously dont have to have analogue equipment to make `good` music in case thats the impression im giving,EVERYTHING has its uses .And not all anlaogue equipment is expensive you can still get bargains like old high end military audio devices,tape machines fx etc just go for the unfashionable stuff. Richard. " Good eh. Sorry author.. |
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Oh thats just perfect. Thankyou |
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Analog synths are just cheap imitations of humans. Leave a jazz quintet improvising on your song for a few hours then come back and you'll really be surprised. For that matter human musicians are just imitating the sounds of wind, birdsong and their own heartbeats. Maybe to be truly musically enlightened you must be silent and attentive. |
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Maybe you spend to long using VST |
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stop and listen |
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i'm not going to read that because there's no point in arguing what instruments an artist chooses to use. that's stupid. |
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lol.. you're not going to read (?) ... because what?? |
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who fucking cares... |
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As is often the case. I agree with you. |
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what don't you understand? i said, "i'm not going to read that because there's no point in arguing what instruments an artist chooses to use. that's stupid." i read the opening line of the post, which should contain a summary of the rest of the essay. based on that, i realised that it was in no way interesting to me. then i replied. |
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why does reading = arguing? very strange.. that's what i don't understand. Do you not read anthing unless you see a point in arguing about it?.. lol.. Are you interested in electronic music? Actually just saw your 'record bag', so I guess not. Ok, carry on.. |
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why did i think there was an argument in store? because the first line of the thread is, "Digital isn't useless. It's just not as good. " |
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"Actually just saw your 'record bag', so I guess not. Ok, carry on.. " take another look. look a little more closely, please. |
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the question was 'why does reading = arguing?' |
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if that's really the one you want to go with, i see no point in discussing anything further with you. |
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why not just answer it? |
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"stop." -horsefactory- |
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Because, i think, it was a 'stupid' statement. Much as how not reading something 'because there's no point in arguing' is an 'stupid' attitude. There's no harm in reading, you might learn something.. i think that would be good. |
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because i didn't imply at any point that "reading = arguing" and it proves that you have nothing interesting to say so you're content with making up silly things. |
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i agree, this thread blows. |
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am i late for a lecture ? sorry adam, could you start from beginning ? |
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I didn't write it |
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'r40f' "I'm not going to read that because there's no point in arguing what instruments and artists choooses to use." 'r40f' again - "because I didn't at any point imply at any point that "reading = arguing".." Oh, really.. Again, why does reading = arguing? Can't you read without arguing? Seems pretty stupid to me.. |
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wow, you're a thinker. oh emm gee, ess tee eff ewe |
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so how does this prove that vinyl is better than cd? so an analogue device is an instrument, yeah so what -anything is an instrument, so is a computer...all i want is a cd from rephlex of the analord stuff so i can buy it, it feels strange having all of the new afx stuff and getting it for free. I JUST WANT A GODDAMN CD, i dont want to know if vinyl is better or not i dont give fuck about that argument. |
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Dont talk to r40f like that! *acts threatening* |
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YEAH ! |
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i know its a little much, should i have added "AND YOU CAN STICK THAT WHERE THE SUN DONT SHINE?" :) |
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How can you not like to read Richards words on musical equipment? This is milk and honey. Besides, I grew up thinking he made all his tracks with a home made calculator, and a toaster in a wet bath tub. |
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i can't believe people are bitching about that post. it was bitching! |
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that just made me like aphex twin a million times more |
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wise words indeed from rdj.. sure you will all read when you know its by him. anyways, i posted this a while ago on here. |
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ANALORD |
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i even think the instruments in edirol orchestral sound pretty real, though a bit the same all the time maybe |
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just close your eyes when you listen and suddenly your cd will sound as good as vinyl |
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