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when does music become art? is all music art? |
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Why would music ever not be art? Isn't music under the category 'art'? How about when does sound become music? After it's recorded? But then a tape of discussion isn't music. When there is a repetetition of recorded sound? |
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music is humanly-organised sound. a tape of a discussion is music. |
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i don't know...that's why im asking..there's plenty of music out there that doesn't sound too artsy so i'd really like to know :) |
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do i need to get out the rocks/rots table again? |
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humanly-organised sound that is intended as music, I would say. |
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yeah, i should clarify that the tape would have to be presented as music. |
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ah yes, that would work. |
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ok, so i take all music is art..thank you all. |
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do you really think that? is a new Linkin Park song "art"? |
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i don't know..who can judge what qualifies as art and what can't? when entertainment stops and art begins? |
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why care about that... : ) music is music. stop simplifying by classifying. |
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you'll find I decide what is art, so if you have any more questions feel free to ask the master. |
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im really interested in this one :) |
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is Linkin Park art? |
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I was asking because you hadn't really said what you thought yourself. :) |
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is zoran predin art? |
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Yes they are art gods. |
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i don't know, that's why i am asking :) |
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is faeces art? |
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i think that it so. because i don't believe that art must inherently posess a "high standard of quality". the idea of art is independent of the measure of quality of art. so to me, linkin park is art, but it's bad art. very bad art. |
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seeing as there can be no singular answer, you should be able to come up with an answer of your own, though. |
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* i think that it is. |
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okay, I can see how that would work. |
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i think i need a clear mind to answer this one..i was kind of hoping someone already had all the answers :D |
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Art god |
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the question of whether all music is art is more formidable than defining those terms. i'm not totally sure right now. |
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oh i see wanna play that game do we? |
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Especially yours. |
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this was almost a great discussion. |
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i'm going to go out on a limb and say that as a rule, all music is art. but there exceptions to every rule. including that one. now i hope to hear insightful arguments against. ihope. |
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Linkin Park is art if that's really the music they want to make, and not some thing made purely to please the masses. Which would be sad. |
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The only solution is to eradicate the masses. I don't really see any downside to this method. |
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Oh shut up, if you didn't understand what i meant in my first post then i'm a little worried. |
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yeah, sorry, i'll add some comments later..and that's a promise! |
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The word "art" is ambiguous because something can be art to me and not to someone else. The word shouldn't even be in practice anymore. |
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hi - i didn't use the follow-up hoping that you wouldn't think that i was talking to you. i got carried away with being impatient for responses and posted that last message just in general and it had nothing to do with your posts, which i found to be quite amusing as always. sorry for the confusion. |
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that is a nice definition, Fabien. |
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Hi- i'm ever so sorry, this seems to happen to me a lot... :) (confusion) |
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yes, that sounds like it, that surely is the difference between commercial and non commercial music..but there are a lot of awful bands out there who also do their own thing and they please the masses but the music is dreadful!! i conclude there's no way something can be decided to be art and something else can't..it's really up to every individual..but what's odd about it a bit, is that out governament is supporting music artists, and i'd really love to know what criteria do they look for.. |
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that's an interesting question, and if they're anything like our government and just about every government in the world I believe, you'll be stupified by the silly arguments they use. |
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well, i don't know your governament, but im sure our isn't any better, more likely it's much worse.. i know of some artists that are supported and they don't seem like doing art to me, i don't know the whole thing about it though..i'll see if i can find something about that..im surious about this one :) |
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My answer is that anything that is created with the intention of conveying emotion and meaning through expression of sound and/or visuals is a form of art. This rules out anything that is created with the primary intention of maximising sales which sadly applies to a lot of available 'commerical' works. |
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i conclude there's no way something can be decided to be art and something else can't..it's really up to every individual i think you don't have to start a thread to realize that! :P |
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yes, i agree on that, and that means that all music is art. tallyho, i was only able to make that conclusion after reading people opinions :D |
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now that we all agree with dariusgriffin, i would like to also throw this in: what's the difference between art and entertainment? i think the answer is usually fairly obvious when you just take a look at something... the difference between a reality game show and an abstract painting are like night and day. entertainment is like the equivalent of shutting your mind off and art is generally something that provokes reaction. clearly, they overlap because art is often entertaining. yet, by and large we can divide up the music world into the categories of "what is done implicitly as entertainment" and "what is done implicitly as art". in this case, the motivation behind the work dictates its' subsequent categorization. and i think that holds true as dariusgriffin suggests. i've been playing devil's advocate a bit in this thread. now that i have made this additional amendment, i go back to what i had thought all along, which is that some music is art and some music is not art at all. |
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several posts too late for universal agreement, but it still holds true to me. |
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I feel that sound is considered music when it is generated/arranged for human listening (not counting more technical aspects of listening such as the noise emitted when a truck backs up, or a car horn is being honked). Music is art when it is crafted well, creatively, or originally. A combination of all three is perfect. |
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HAHAHA awesome!! |
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"the difference between a reality game show and an abstract painting are like night and day." yes, the extremes are easy to see i suppose, but then there's again music that it isn't that obvious.. that criteria thing taxidermist mentions sounds good.. this is just another one of those non answerable questions... |
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