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-nlogax- well,if you listen to the opening beat of nlogax you will clearly testify that boc sampled "indeep - last night a dj saved my life". this once again prooves how they are heavy into the late 70's to 80's music,so i wouldn't be surprised to find some new material out of my mega disco funk 2cd compilation. -aquarius- at first i thought it's boc's aquarius played in the radio,but slowly the different arrangement started to follow...you can hear the original snippet of the Aquarius track which is actually one of the tracks from the hair movie! |
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:o i assumed boc played the bass in for aquarius. it's a shame to hear it's sampled. i'm now recalling the moment when i found out that the orb's little fluffy clouds ripped off pat metheny. |
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yeah,i shared the same thought on that bassline! first time and i was like ...wow,man they played it soo good jamming. |
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whoah. this is a real find. nice one plaster. |
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i guess so...i'm really hooked on their music,so it becomes an obsession sometimes. |
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i've been there. i've totally sickened myself with different styles/artists before by over-analysing music. watch out! |
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i already got burned...i couldn't stand listening to them for a half a year after the exhausting in deep analysis. |
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yeah man, nice find *waiting for more discoveries* |
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yeah, but then theres that point when you've left it for so long and you finally decide to give it a blast again and it sounds so amazing...... it happened with me about a few weeks back when i was listening to "sixtyniner"....that melody at the start is just beautiful. |
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i've just discovered that Puff Daddy's hit track "every breath you take" was actually a song by the police! amazing! :P |
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heh,my first reaction was...oh shit,i don't feel their music anymore,so eventually it started to sound like bleech! i even had an oluterbody experience which i think aesthetics knows for. |
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holy shit |
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I don't see the problem. to me that bassline always sounded like it was sampled, especially because the percussion you hear with it sounds like it's part of the sample (and not added on). |
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and how would you know that? for instance...daedelus has a lot of sounds that sound sampled,but aren't! |
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most of boards of canada is samples? Big samples. |
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well yeah...60% is,but still..how can you resolve a sample from a author work? |
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I don't know, just listen to it - it sounds obviously like a sample to me, like something chopped out of a record and looped profusely, I guess I mean: a sample. |
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do you mean 'other work' or 'authers work'? Someone repeating a clip of anothers work can and should be taken on merrit as itself. Whether they credit the other party is a different matter. I can get lost in loops of other peoples music easily if it's well chosen. |
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could be..yeah,i just listened to it and it sounds pretty filtered out. |
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well,an original sound from an artist,that's what i wanted to say. yea,i know how it goes with loops..i always tell myself i need to lay of it somtimes,but it fits in the groove very well. but something like aquarius is tottaly different...when you have a sample that is quite obviously snatched. ...i wonder if they ever got the permit for using it on a record which was sold over a few thousand copies + some ppl still think it's an actual boc work. |
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I guess I mean it does sound like someone actually playing the bass and I've never heard BoC play anything else than keyboards and splatter samples all over the place. |
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I'm sure no permission was granted from the people that wrote it, otherwise they'd be listed as the writers. You don't need to lay off the loops!! if it fits, use it. The end result is the most important not the distribution of wealth/money. In my moral high horse opinion. |
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yeah...i kinda envy them on the sick beats they have. |
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ha i figured it was a sample of something, but i didn't place that it was aquarius.. pretty funny! |
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i think sampling is important and the obnoxious red tape and fees that the original artists ask for completely hinder artistic development. |
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hehe,i know...i actually have a lot of rex file which i load up and rearrange and layer with other sounds,so it ends up pretty unhearable. |
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True, there needs to be a middle ground law that compensates the originater and awards the new user. A flat fee/agreement so music can progress in it's own silly fashion. |
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i'm not convinced that there should be any fee or permission necessary whatsoever. what about the graphic artist who cuts bits out of magazines and re-arranges them into a collage? how is this any different from audio sampling? i wouldn't expect the collage artist should have to pay or get permission to use the bits from the printed source material. |
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i start to ask who is not using loops? it's the cycle of life...recycle the existing into a new from of the same. |
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I'm also not convinced you can compare different disciplines as easily as that - in other words, "sampling" in visual art is something different than sampling in audio. I agree that the whole stance towards sampling is ridiculous. |
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well,there is a law that permits you to sample drumloops,because anyone can make the same,but then again you have melodies which are permitted unless you have a 2 second sample or something like that. |
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that's the ideal world. Actually people need to buy food, pay bills etc. the same goes for people 'sampling' other peoples work for collage, yes, it's in a different context but aren't they using the weight that the original artist supplied? Do you make music or Artworks primarily? |
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what about this: 1. a graphic collage that is a combination between two popular images - the mona lisa superimposed onto a coca-cola bottle. 2. a song comprised entirely of a beatles rhythm section looped over and over and excerpts of ronald reagan speaking played over it. aren't they more similar than not? it seems they are to me. just two different mediums that utilize the same process. |
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"...aren't they using the weight that the original artist supplied?" that's a good point and i don't really know the answer, honestly. i am not sure how this issue can be resolved. but i do know there's something inherently wrong when the rich chart-topping pop singer can go after a bedroom producer for re-arranging bits of their song without their permission. "Do you make music or Artworks primarily?" mostly music, but i have made many 2d collages in the past. :) |
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exactly. using the weight and effect of others work to impose something. it's still a combination of the two original artists + it's a new slant by the 'artist'. Surely some credit should go to the foundation of it or should that be bypassed? |
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It'd be nice if there was a simple agreeable soloution to this. It needs to be thrashed out with massive arguments for a few years I think. |
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here you go, watch |
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i don't know. maybe it isn't always necessary or practical to include such credits. i could see both sides of this arguement. this is where our conversation goes into "what should be done?" and i don't claim to have the answers. because there are so many possibilities (eg. what if it's a well-known icon vs an unknown song?)... i think the copyrights are there to protect, not to screw over artists. |
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well, to me these disciplines have their own dramaturgical laws. in short, it's like in pommes little film, they take up the example that Shakespeare sampled other texts. but how many people will recognise sampled texts? and how many will recognise a sampled piece of music? |
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yes, but is it even important that it is recognized? i'm not sure one way or the other. |
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Is it recogition of the participent? I'll have a look... |
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that might be one of the more astute differences between music and visual art though - most sampling in visual art will be to reference to the sampled work of art in some way. this happens in music too ofcourse, but not as much, I think. I'm thinking out loud here, I should point out. |
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maybe the music sampling is a bit more un-educated/un-respectfull/un-researched. Visual art is inherintly more interpretry! ( is that a word ?) maybe i should go to bed now........ |
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I think it's more interprety, yes. I should really go to bed. I've slept 4 hours a night for the last few nights and I have to get up in 4 hours. but I just drank a beer and it perked me up a bit. |
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I've got full on work tomorrow, I'm doomed if I step in the bedroom as I've been out 'too late again' g'night qrter.. I'm going to get told off now....... |
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good luck, Jivver.. |
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