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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2005-02-14 07:49 [#01498043]
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Discuss!
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mortsto-x
from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2005-02-14 07:53 [#01498049]
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No. There are no room for more psychiatric patients
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2005-02-14 08:10 [#01498068]
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We didnt have many problems with coke back in tha day
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-02-14 08:11 [#01498069]
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Yeah, sure.
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from vita contemplativa on 2005-02-14 08:11 [#01498071]
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yes.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2005-02-14 08:12 [#01498072]
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Yes. But its not going to happen.
They are now giving daily doses of heroin away to a select number of addicts in vancouver now.
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big
from lsg on 2005-02-14 08:18 [#01498074]
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no
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oyvinto
on 2005-02-14 08:20 [#01498077]
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ok
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2005-02-14 08:21 [#01498079]
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In conclusion : Drugs = Cool
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pOgO
from behind your belly button fluff on 2005-02-14 08:29 [#01498088]
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GOD no
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somejerk
from south florida, US (United States) on 2005-02-14 08:31 [#01498089]
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mmm, people should be able to do whatever they want so long as it doesn't harm other people. in that sense, people should be allowed to do drugs and will be held responsible for what they do to themselves. however, people often drive while under the influence or will steal other people's belongings, sometimes killing people for them, in order to get more drugs.
i think certain areas should legalize certain drugs. i think marijuana should be legal and cigarettes should be illegal.
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-02-14 08:36 [#01498093]
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Shit that's associated with substance abuse like driving under the influence, neglecting your children, and whatnot should be illegal.... oh wait, it already is.
People abuse everything. If we tried to outlaw everything with a potential for abuse it'd be thx1138 or some shit.
Dump a bunch of money into truthful education, and let people make up their own minds.
There wouldn't be a black market, hence all the organized crime and overly inflated prices that lead to that crime if drugs were legalized.
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big
from lsg on 2005-02-14 08:37 [#01498094]
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i think the government should be allowed to protect people from themselves as much as from others
i think certain areas should legalize certain drugs. i think
marijuana should be legal and cigarettes should be illegal.
me too
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clint
from Silencio... (United Kingdom) on 2005-02-14 08:43 [#01498101]
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Exactly. And getting substances from a government controlled source would be far safer than from a dodgy bedroom chemist.
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Gwely Mernans
from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2005-02-14 08:44 [#01498103]
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theres been allot of discussion on that recently. no comment
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2005-02-14 08:44 [#01498104]
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If we made all drugs legal then it would stop a lot of drug related crimes. loads of organised crime is drug related and I think making it legal would put an end to it (partially/dunno/whatever).
I also think no. I can see it now, little kids trying out cocaine at the age of 12.
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-02-14 08:45 [#01498105]
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Nah, that's a real slippery slope when the gov't gets into the business of protecting people from themselves. Not a good idea imhotepsticles.
One of the main problems is that the gov't isn't truthful about drugs. I mean, I grew up thinking that druggies were all shady looking mean older dudes with bags under their eyes, wearing dirty leather jackets, and that if i took one toke off a marajuanna cigarette my heart would explode.
When in fact, the people that first offer you drugs are the kids that you've grown up with, and when they do them they have a really good time.
When your perception of reality doesn't match up with what D.A.R.E. taught you, you pretty much reject everything and just assume that drugs are really awesome. The real downsides are not made clear, or are hidden in the sensationalist bullshit they try to force on kids, so it all fails.
A little more truthful education would make kids a schload more prepared to deal with the way drugs actually work.
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Bob Mcbob
on 2005-02-14 08:46 [#01498107]
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if drugs became legal then everyone will do them. everyone. can you imagine a world where every single person is high, wasted or stoned? mankind is progressing too slowly as it is.
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-02-14 08:48 [#01498109]
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it's probably easier for a 12 year old to get cocaine now than it would be if it were legal.. as, if it were legal it would be regulated by people who want to follow the law.
as it stands, the people selling illegal drugs are not too interested in following ID laws.
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-02-14 08:49 [#01498111]
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Alcohol is legal, and not everyone does that.
I've never seen either of my parents use any sort of tobbaco product, even though legally they could.
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2005-02-14 08:49 [#01498112]
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Some of the best progressive music was written by artists who were High, wasted, and STONED ! Stoned scientists and philosophers thats what we need
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-02-14 08:57 [#01498120]
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yes.
for all practices and circumstances, it already pretty much is. it's not very hard to get drugs and use them.
but now there is the added element of huge amounts of money being pumped into a police system that hardly makes a ghost of a dent in the whole drug traficking business.
and a large amount of crime is completely and solely based on drugs which would NOT exist if all drugs where government controlled.
a large part of the problems associated with hard drugs have a LOT to do with poor education on the use of drugs.
why are there countless little films produced by the government telling young people how dangerous unsafe sex can be, how dangerous smoking can be, how dangerous drinking can be? why not the same for other drugs?
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-02-14 08:59 [#01498121]
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smoking marijuana is just about as bad for your lungs as tabacco, so I don't see how that logic works.
also there have been extensive reports by Dutch scientists (which were first produced last year, if I remember correctly) that directly link the use of marijuana to a hightened chance of activating schizophrenia - not regular use, just once would be enough.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-02-14 09:01 [#01498125]
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ha. that "practices and circumstances" should read "practices and purposes".
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2005-02-14 09:09 [#01498140]
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people could their hands on drugs a lot easier if they were legal. it figures. like alcahol is legal for 18+ yet kids always drink it
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Matvey
from Kiev (Ukraine) on 2005-02-14 09:09 [#01498141]
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some of my friends have a distinckt and clear logical proof of the "no" point, but i have forgotten it.
I saw a rastaman yesterday, called Drinch, and he had a distinckt and clear logical proof of the "yes" point, like with governmental control drugs will be of better quality, for example.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2005-02-14 09:11 [#01498148]
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I have access to heroin coke and opium but sometimes pot is hard to find.
Although i must note i do not do drugs. I just drink and i am going to stop that for a while
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-02-14 09:12 [#01498150]
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do you know how easy it is to get your hands on drugs now?
why do you think a lot of 16-year olds are using all that crap anyway?
but now there is no quality control on those drugs, there is little proper education for those kids.
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-V-
from Ensenada Drive on 2005-02-14 09:23 [#01498161]
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I think they should be legal based on the likliness of their users affecting other people. If a drug has a history of directly relating to crime (other than the current crime of actually using the drug), then it should most likely be made illegal as it has the potential to hinder the free agency of non related persons.
In a less realistic though potentially effective senario, perhaps all drugs should be made legal, with the law that if a user unwantedly affects any other person while the user is under the influence of a drug (or even if they potentially endanger others as in the case of driving under the influence), they should be put to death.
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-02-14 09:24 [#01498164]
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I don't know that that's true. But, it may be.
When I was in highschool it was quite a bit easier for me to get pot than it was for me to get beer. And, it's still a whole lot easier for me to get pot than prescription pills.
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-02-14 09:28 [#01498169]
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I think it's because the pills, and the alcohol are regulated by law abiding people. They have a lot to lose if they're busted.
People who sell illegal drugs base their entire business on breaking the law. Plus, as qrter said, who knows if you're even buying what you think you're buying? If a pharmasist sells you the wrong pills they'll probably loose their licence... you're probably not going to complain to the better business beaureau when sammy mcdruginstein sells you ajax instead of coke.
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Bob Mcbob
on 2005-02-14 09:30 [#01498174]
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Should all drugs be made legal?
no, just your favourite drugs.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-02-14 09:30 [#01498176]
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you'll end up in hospital, where they have to contact the police.
so not only did you get ripped off majorly, you almost died and now you might go to jail!
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stilaktive
from a place on 2005-02-14 09:31 [#01498177]
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if little kids do drugs then its their parents fault, or they just weak minded enough and should be junkies and die. yes
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-02-14 09:31 [#01498178]
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good point. let's do a nationwide poll.
with samples.
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mrgypsum
on 2005-02-14 09:32 [#01498185]
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i think the legality of the drugs issue is a formality for what youre really saying - should all drugs be accepted and used without penalization - and if thats the case, then no - but if you choose that path - there should be more ways to help you rather than penalize you. they system says - if you use drugs it is your fault and you are to blame, therefore you go to jail, and youre now a criminal.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-02-14 09:34 [#01498188]
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well the system clearly isn't working as it is, it just costs a lot of money and makes hardly any difference.
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big
from lsg on 2005-02-14 09:43 [#01498209]
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yeah, i want to quite smoking, maybe the government can do it for me
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2005-02-14 09:48 [#01498219]
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I think everything apart fron Coke and Anfetimines/PCP etc. because they cause anti social violent/behaviour.
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stilaktive
from a place on 2005-02-14 09:57 [#01498237]
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if you smoke your silly and i dont like you.
i cant even smoke weed anymore it makes me feel ill sucking in shit, yucky uck. and it stinks
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