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I think back in early ninetees, there were huge expectations with the future of music, seeing what they were seeing with the first albums by aphex, autechre, lfo, b12, orbital, the orb... I think there was like an euphoria, cos lots of new field had been openned for the first time... hence all the artificial intelligence and all those things, there was a general feeling that music was gonna make a huge change... the question is... do you think this is at last happening? did the music revolution come up to your expectations? seeing the music that was done 15 years ago and now... do you think that the revolution was worth it? was it even culminated? was it abandoned at half the way? dont you think that maybe music now (electronic) is based on anecdotes more than in true concepts? yesterday I listened to saw 85-92, brown album, frequencies and electro soma. personally I think it all went perfect till 2001... but I doubt if there has been any advance since then... nothing looks more advanced to me than confield... squarepusher never reached what he got with go plastic, not to talk about aphex since drukqs (and now he seems to look back to the analog era) plaid doesnt seem to sound as fresh as in the mid ninetees... boc has never evolved since 98... there are some new artits and some of them are great... but they dont seem to bring a revolution... its more like more rounds to the same square what do you think? |
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I haven't seen any revolution. |
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jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaj another "electronic music nowdays suck" thread. |
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no it doesnt suck I like it a lot |
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Damn good topic mate. I don't think the whole face of music has changed as much as people thought, but it's nice that there is new stuff as well as the sort of things that would have existed anyway (rock, pop, hip hop, etc.) and also combinations of the two (rap/pop with "IDM" stylings for example). I like the way we've moved away from combinations of repetative loops into very complex programming (drukqs, latest m-ziq, []pusher, SM pennyworth, etc.) I think it shows a maturity of the artform. Of course, we can still use repetative loops out of choice, but now it's a bit more in moderation. Don't get me wrong, I love hypnotic minimal techno and acid, but it's good there's other stuff too. |
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music is something highly relative to me, so i'm having difficulties splitting it all into periods and stuff, i just go from one thing to another every other day. in my opinion theres something new and exciting all the time, its just a matter of looking in the right places. and music will never cease to evolve, its been breaking new grounds since the first piece ever written. as for squarepusher and everybody else, every release since the first one has been new and unique in different ways, and when a thing like "go plastic" surfaces its just a "natural" leap in many different directions. people just can't go around waiting for the new "go plastic", "dyks?" or whatever they might fancy a lot, cause it's always going to be something new. and drukqs, i remember everybody on here "hated" it in the beginning, maybe cause people got confused or something, however, thats not the general opinion nowadays. i also think the melodical bits, and the arrangements are so much more "important" than the technical advancements, and aligning of the two, naturally takes time. just look at classical music for instance, it can be really mindblowing and extremely futuristic at times, if you like. theres lots of new, great electronic music but i don't have time to go and look up new stuff myself, and i can't go and wait for music to evolve cause i'm busy listening to whats here now. |
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Mate, you never posted me that CD we talked about last year! I'll paypal you for posting, etc. Email me if you want to discuss this further. Thanks and happy new year. |
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I think you have some very good points there. I actually had been thinking about that quite recently too. I believe that maybe, quite possibly, everything that can be done has been done and the major artists are waiting for new technology so they can do something new. But then you ask, is it all about the technology? Maybe it's the structure? I can see a good future in mixing different styles of music as this hasn't been done too much. Like Ochre's timberlake remix is a good example. I think more pop/idm tracks should be made as there is potential, plus it's new and different. Saying this though, we haven't heard Analord yet. You never know, it could be amazing, better than drukqs even. Although, I'm not pushing my hopes up too high just in case. |
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ultravisitor was a step beyond, a lot much better than goplastic. drukqs has the most incredible tracks ive ever heard, a reflexation in the frontiers between electronic and acoustic music. i cannot talk about 90s expectatiions as i wasnt there and dont know a fuck about it, but i think the evolution of braindance have been incredible and unexpected, a music opened to time and space never predicted. i think electronic music has reached another dimention totally different of what the people in 90s thought... |
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nice view gotta think of it I relally love new autechre, team doyobi, snares... |
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I think your point is valid in the sense that the electronic scene influences artist in other areas of music. Idm-ish pop might make the artists cast away the old tricks and invent some new. But the revisiting of old styles might be a refuge from the demand of always evolving soundwise, which is a common one in the fanbase. On the other hand it might also serve as a homage to the music the artist loves and want the "kids" to appreciate it too. I agree with nacmat regarding Confield, and Draft didn't seem to have the logical progression that I found in previous Autechre releases. I think I read in some interwiev that Draft in fact was a step backwards, atleast in the way it was created. Ponderings aside, I really don't care so much about the progression as I do about tunes and the completeness of a release. A record can be as innovative as it wants, but if it aint got "the feeling", I can't be bothered with it. |
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Nobody ever really became the next Aphex Twin, electronic music was relying on Aphex and Liam Howlett to hold the fort until it could survive on it's own but nobody ever came along with a genuinely new direction that worked out. |
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i reckon we just took it too seriously and it lost its fun |
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People are too busy either trying to emulate what Boards of Canada, Autechre, Squarepusher and Aphex were doing half a decade ago, or getting lost in this silly Shitmat/Snares breakcore movement. 95% of 'internet artists' I've heared fall into this category. Obviously musicians are going to have elements of their favourite artists appear in their work via influence, but some of the things I've heared over the last few years has been a disappointing reflection on how electronic music is progressing. |
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I don't think there's much diffrence between the trends in electronic music and other genres. Someone puts out an idea or sound thats unique, other people imiatate or expand on it. I love all the early stuff too but it sounds like the Warp roster was stuck on a single idea. Plus, the melodies were pretty basic and too reliant on the style coming out of Detroit at the time. I do think the genre has come a long way since then regarding things like texture, warmth, sutlety... Things are more detailed and refined now. I personally prefer labels like K12, Touch, Mego that combine electronics, aucustics and noise into a freeform structure that typical IDM doesn't do. Maybe electronic music has to move away from it's dance origins to progress? |
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personally i think they could do a lot better with all the hi-tec equipment these days (one of the few people that takes advantages of this stuff is richard devine imo)..music is still about the idea whether it is made in a classic way or with computers. a lot of it is getting really boring, most of the artists nowdays think they're doing something really advanced, but what good is that if the music more or less sucks :) i'll shut up now. |
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Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that's interesting techincally, but gash as music. A lot of non-popular turntabilism falls into this. I love listening and working out what they're doing, or listening to production work in pop songs and thinking about how I'd replicate a particular sound etc. (guess that makes me guilty of what skeptopotamous mentioned ;-), but often the actual music isn't that great. |
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hmm, maybe it didn't sound the way i meant it. it's great there are so many people doing music, makes it easier for everyone to find something for themselves to enjoy. but in general there really isn't some sort of musical improvment, there were perhaps just as many interesting artists 15 years ago as there are now, and they both made/make exciting music..and i don't mind replicating, sampling,..one bit as long as it is interesting :) |
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I dont say I dont like what we have now... the music done nowadays is great.... but I was just wondering if we are living in ages of big changes like in the early ninetees or not I think not... this is not a time of big changes... some musicians are making real gems of music but not changing the direction of music me thinks |
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stuff is ok |
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what is the question again? |
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I think you're just pining for your youth and using the music as an excuse. |
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I think I understand what you're getting at. I thought about this phenomenon often, and I thank you for addressing it here. There does seem to be a sort of stagnation in the trend of music development recently, but it's probably just confined to the major Warp label artists we recognize. I read an article on the music industry a few months ago, and it stated that overall revenue has gone up, but less so from the major monopolistic record labels and more from smaller independent ones. My theory is that these days we may just have to dig harder for the sounds we want. I'm sure there's plenty of artists out there who make the kind of electronic music we like, but their music may be harder to find and obtain than what you see/hear when you access sites of bigger record labels like Warp. |
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Great thread! IMO Ultravisitor was the only album in a few years that pushed the IDM envelope. I think Snares at his most cerebral has done some very interesting stuff also that's quite unique. The whole early 90s aethetic was so interesting because it was associated strongly with the future and the explosion in technology advances. I think that aethetic became something of a cliche recently. |
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this kind of thread makes me want to run away screaming. |
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with these two i can't agree: "plaid doesnt seem to sound as fresh as in the mid ninetees... boc has never evolved since 98..." compare rest proof to spokes compare mhtrtc to geogaddi and HEAR the difference |
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I'm sorry, I don't hear that big a difference between MHTRTC and Geogaddi. it may be tweaked here and there, but to me it does sound like more of the same. I like MHTRTC better anyway. |
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i reckon' i like music a lot |
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There's not just Warp, you know. |
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then you prefer old BOC to new BOC, old hiphop loops to new caleidoscope loops, no problem. right, it may sound quite the same. but geogaddi is leaving hiphop a bit aside - which is nice M-C better ? why ? |
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I know qrter... sorry if I didnt excite your brain with my thread.. I never was the intelligent guy in xlt... and lately I have to make efforts to think of a thread starter but I really found this thread could be at least a little interesting |
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idm's mutating into accesible. |
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my fav artists right now, the ones that make music I enjoy more lately are: team doyobi snares squarepusher autechre ooo mr 76ix richard devine |
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i second that... imagine all the people getting into more free kind of music (electronic or not) at this time, i think it's AT LEAST as exciting for them as it was for us ten or five years ago... i mean there's just so much to discover, enjoy, create beside all the classics that are already present, the stuff was more limited in quantity in the early nineties and there was no internet facilities like now... so i think it just goes down to the excitement each and every person feels at any given moment, and not to the music itself... |
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Or, accessible music is mutating into IDM (pop is getting IDM stylings, rather than the other way round...) |
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seconded |
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